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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/15/22 at 5:35 am to PhilipMarlowe
Posted on 11/15/22 at 5:35 am to PhilipMarlowe
Listen to the brain trust on Russian state TV talking about turning Ukrainian kids into sleeper agents:
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Posted on 11/15/22 at 5:38 am to cypher
Zelensky at G20 summit: If Russia wants to end this war, let it prove it with actions
UKRINFORM translation of Zelensky G20 speech
UKRINFORM translation of Zelensky G20 speech
Posted on 11/15/22 at 5:44 am to cypher
Kherson Oblast: Russians retreating 15-20 kilometres inland on left bank of Dnipro River
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Tuesday, 15 November 2022, 11:31
The Russian occupation troops are moving 15-20 kilometres inland from their constructed frontiers on the left bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast in order to avoid attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. However, the south defence forces are taking the Russians’ logistics under their fire control.
Source: Nataliia Humeniuk, Head of the joint press centre for Operational Command Pivden (South), on air of Espreso TV on 15 November
Quote: "Hypothetically, they can threaten [Kherson - ed.], because the distance allows [them] to use various types of weapons. But we are also not standing still and using counter-battery fighting; we have things to respond to as well. Due to this, there is a certain activity by the enemy troops on the left bank of the Dnipro River regarding moving 15-20 kilometres deeper from the coastline."
Details: Humeniuk has stated that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are taking the logistic ground routes of the Russians under their fire control; therefore, there will be no easy drawing down of reserves or supply of munitions for the occupiers.
Ukrainska Pravda
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Tuesday, 15 November 2022, 11:31
The Russian occupation troops are moving 15-20 kilometres inland from their constructed frontiers on the left bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast in order to avoid attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. However, the south defence forces are taking the Russians’ logistics under their fire control.
Source: Nataliia Humeniuk, Head of the joint press centre for Operational Command Pivden (South), on air of Espreso TV on 15 November
Quote: "Hypothetically, they can threaten [Kherson - ed.], because the distance allows [them] to use various types of weapons. But we are also not standing still and using counter-battery fighting; we have things to respond to as well. Due to this, there is a certain activity by the enemy troops on the left bank of the Dnipro River regarding moving 15-20 kilometres deeper from the coastline."
Details: Humeniuk has stated that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are taking the logistic ground routes of the Russians under their fire control; therefore, there will be no easy drawing down of reserves or supply of munitions for the occupiers.
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 11/15/22 at 5:59 am to cypher
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The Russian occupation troops are moving 15-20 kilometres inland from their constructed frontiers on the left bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast in order to avoid attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
I assume this was the 3 lines of defensive trenches, fortifications the Russians built on the left bank. Seems like they didn't plan that very well to have given it up so easily. But, I think I read they were overwhelmed with huge bombardments and decided it wouldn't hold..? It (again) doesn't seem like it was planned out more than one step at a time by the Russians.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 6:08 am to StormyMcMan
Labrov Nov 15th on Ukraine saying Russia has to leave all of its Territory
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Also Lavrov in July
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#Lavrov on #Zelenskyy's latest conditions for peace: "The #Ukrainian side categorically refuses any negotiations and puts forward conditions, which are obviously unrealistic and inadequate in this situation
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Also Lavrov in July
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Russia’s top diplomat said Moscow’s overarching goal in Ukraine is to free its people from its “unacceptable regime,” expressing the Kremlin’s war aims in some of the bluntest terms yet as its forces pummel the country with artillery barrages and airstrikes.
The remark from Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov comes amid Ukraine’s efforts to resume grain exports from its Black Sea ports —something that would help ease global food shortages — under a new deal tested by a Russian strike on Odesa over the weekend.
“We are determined to help the people of eastern Ukraine to liberate themselves from the burden of this absolutely unacceptable regime,” Lavrov said at an Arab League summit in Cairo late Sunday, referring to Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelenskyy’s government.
Apparently suggesting that Moscow’s war aims extend beyond Ukraine’s industrial Donbas region in the east, Lavrov said: “We will certainly help the Ukrainian people to get rid of the regime, which is absolutely anti-people and anti-historical.”
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Posted on 11/15/22 at 6:57 am to StormyMcMan
Ok I'm willing to belive the northern cities were taken back, but the Southern cities seem like wishful thinking at best
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Russian propagandist Anatoly Shariy writes that the #UkrainianArmy liberated #kinburnspit , #Oleshky, #NovaKakhovka, #ZaliznyiPort, #Skadovsk! The information needs confirmation!
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The enemy is urgently evacuating the earlier brought russian civilian personnel from the city of Zaliznyi Port to Skadovsk.
Wait, is something going on, or what?
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Posted on 11/15/22 at 7:26 am to StormyMcMan
So, it sounds like what happened in Oleshky was a raid and not an attempt to establish a beachhead.
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The AFU struck the deployment of Russian troops in Oleshki and destroyed a S-300 launcher, Tor-M2 anti-aircraft missile complex and 3 units of armored vehicles, as well as a warehouse with ammo. The rest of the losses of the Russian troops are being investigated
-OK "Pivden".
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 7:45 am
Posted on 11/15/22 at 7:26 am to cypher
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Zelensky at G20 summit: If Russia wants to end this war, let it prove it with actions
That us a sober and reasonable framework for what needs to be done.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:01 am to TBoy
Verrrry interesting:
LINK
In a previous post here, I speculated that the war ends when one side runs out of artillery shells. We know that the West has very limited stocks, as European NATO partners have really poor reserves, and the US has been exposed as having insufficient stocks itself and having insufficient production capacity. The purchase of 100,000 shells from South Korea helps a lot, but it's still only buying Ukraine a few weeks.
But there now seems to be a consensus emerging that Russian stockpiles are much smaller than previously thought (just like everything else that the West thought about Russia before the war). Russia has just about cleaned out Belarus and they can probably get a little more from the Norks, but I feel very confident that current Russian production capacity is much lower than the West's.
So, Ukraine's advantage in this war may significantly increase by spring.
Even if both sides end up running low on artillery shells, that would still give Ukraine an advantage, as Ukraine has demonstrated much better use of armor and infantry.
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Ukraine mil intel says Russia has ~120 Iskanders left (economist.com/europe/2022/11…). This week another source told me Russia has only month's worth of artillery ammo left. Both figures "in right ballpark" says another Western official. But munitions "big limiting factor" for Ukr too.
LINK
In a previous post here, I speculated that the war ends when one side runs out of artillery shells. We know that the West has very limited stocks, as European NATO partners have really poor reserves, and the US has been exposed as having insufficient stocks itself and having insufficient production capacity. The purchase of 100,000 shells from South Korea helps a lot, but it's still only buying Ukraine a few weeks.
But there now seems to be a consensus emerging that Russian stockpiles are much smaller than previously thought (just like everything else that the West thought about Russia before the war). Russia has just about cleaned out Belarus and they can probably get a little more from the Norks, but I feel very confident that current Russian production capacity is much lower than the West's.
So, Ukraine's advantage in this war may significantly increase by spring.
Even if both sides end up running low on artillery shells, that would still give Ukraine an advantage, as Ukraine has demonstrated much better use of armor and infantry.
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 9:04 am
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:07 am to supadave3
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Damn, there goes Brittney Griners chance to finally see some action.
The constant attacks on this girl for making a dumb decision is weird.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:09 am to GOP_Tiger
Bump
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:19 am to Obtuse1
I keep saying it, the Russian society is sick. They have become as fascist as the German society of the WWII era.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:31 am to SlimTigerSlap
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The constant attacks on this girl for making a dumb decision is weird.
She was told by her coaches, by the government and others not to take anything in yet she did. That's not a dumb decision that's a egotistical decision.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:34 am to SOSFAN
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She was told by her coaches, by the government and others not to take anything in yet she did. That's not a dumb decision that's a egotistical decision.
Same difference. And she's facing hard time in a freaking Russian gulag. It's not a thing to high five over.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:40 am to SOSFAN
Lots of people also warned her not to go to Russia in the first place. But she's still suffering far beyond anything that her bad choices justified. It's wrong to drag people suffering injustice.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:58 am to GOP_Tiger
I'm agnostic on the entire Griner issue. Overly harsh sentence yet she put herself in that position.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 10:01 am to CitizenK
Agreed. I don't really care what happens to her, but I do think she's just a pawn in all of this.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 10:04 am to CitizenK
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I'm agnostic on the entire Griner issue. Overly harsh sentence yet she put herself in that position.
And that's perfectly fine. I don't give it a thought until I'm reminded by people reveling in her suffering. That throws me off a bit.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 10:04 am to SlimTigerSlap
She made her bed, let her lay in it. I bet she is hoping that the country she so often criticized comes to the rescue now.
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