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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/14/22 at 12:05 pm to Tmcgin
Posted on 11/14/22 at 12:05 pm to Tmcgin
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The fact you think China can project fire power is just wrong. Thirty percent of their houses have no toilet.
Read or you tube Peter Ziehan --its not good for China
I'm aware of his work, but I'm responding to GT23's argument. He said China was a superpower already, to which my response was the part you quoted. A superpower will be able to project power in any direction, undermining the notion that the US needs to leave NATO in order to deal with China. In fact, if that is the argument, there is an implicit argument that you need to expand NATO as much as possible.
I think there is a great degree of contention on whether the Chinese are actually a superpower. I think they have the potential to get there, but they also have a check on their power in terms of India.
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 12:28 pm to crazy4lsu
Meanwhile, back to the actual war:
This could be the hoped-for signal that Ukraine is finally about to take Svatove:
I've also read several tweets about this:
Olehsky is on the other side of the Dnipro River. It's the first town connected to the now-destroyed bridge. If it's true that Ukraine has already created a beachhead on the other side of the river, then that would be very significant.
This could be the hoped-for signal that Ukraine is finally about to take Svatove:
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Unconfirmed reports that the AFU has forced a breaktrough in Novomykil's'ke, south of #Svatove. Russian sources report that the AFU broke trough with at least 10 pieces of equipment.
We are waiting for more information.
I've also read several tweets about this:
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Unconfirmed news from #Olehsky,Kherson. UA seem to have liberated the town. RU forces withdrew after relentless artillery & HIMARS strikes all night & morning. UA SOF entered the city this morning.
Olehsky is on the other side of the Dnipro River. It's the first town connected to the now-destroyed bridge. If it's true that Ukraine has already created a beachhead on the other side of the river, then that would be very significant.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 12:33 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:they absolutely can. Anyone who thinks we should leave NATO is fricking stupid. We have a global framework to allow new institutions to be built and feed off one another
those potential Pacific organizations can fit in nicely with already existing organizations which the US also built.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 12:43 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
He won't be elected, if he runs, but yes, he is that stupid.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 12:52 pm to Tmcgin
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The fact you think China can project fire power is just wrong.
If you read my post I specifically said that China can project economic power at a superpower scale and they increasingly capable of projecting military power nearing a superpower scale. If they’re not a superpower in that realm then they’re definitely number 2 in the world. Even Western European countries can’t match them.
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They based their military hardware on Russia....good luck
30-40 years ago they did. You obviously haven’t been paying attention. They’re newest planes, ships and tanks are modeled of of US tech. They’re naval and aviation training is modeled after the US. Are they at our level yet? Of course not. But they’re not some 5 year old hiding behind a big bad wolf mask either.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 12:56 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:maybe not individually. They 100% can and then some collectively
Even Western European countries can’t match them.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 12:58 pm to WestCoastAg
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maybe not individually. They 100% can and then some collectively
Aside from the French, Western Europe couldn’t collectively bomb freaking Libya without massive US assistance. They couldn’t refuel their jets or collect intel for strikes without our help.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:02 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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NEW: The U.S. Army awarded $520.8 million in contracts in late October and early November to Lockheed Martin to replenish GMLRS munitions provided to Ukraine.
The U.S. has given 38 HIMARS systems and ammo to Ukraine since the summer.
LINK
Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:09 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
And china doesnt have its own massive power projection issues?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:12 pm to GOP_Tiger
I am super leery about anything stating the AFU has already crossed the river, even if it is a beachhead.
If for some reason they have, someone on the other side completely screwed up. It’s on the direct path of the main bridge out of Kherson proper and should be considered the top defensive and observation post location during this transition. If some how they Russians let the AFU get over in any type of force, it makes you wonder if any of the other positions along the bank are being manned….
If for some reason they have, someone on the other side completely screwed up. It’s on the direct path of the main bridge out of Kherson proper and should be considered the top defensive and observation post location during this transition. If some how they Russians let the AFU get over in any type of force, it makes you wonder if any of the other positions along the bank are being manned….
Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:14 pm to WestCoastAg
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And china doesnt have its own massive power projection issues?
Well two things
1) Compared to the US? Yeah they’re a ways behind.
2) China doesn’t need or want to project military power outside of the western pacific and possibly the Indian Ocean to east Africa.
The US is the only country in the world that can truly project military power on a global scale in any meaningful way. That’s because we’re the protector of the entire global economy as has been pointed out many times.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:14 pm to GOP_Tiger
LINK
More evidence that Ukraine immediately crossed the river and is taking town across from Kherson:
I think that there's a real chance that Russia may have decided to retreat from these areas.
More evidence that Ukraine immediately crossed the river and is taking town across from Kherson:
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Hola Prystan is under reportedly the control of the AFU. Reported by locals. We are waiting for visual confirmation!
Unconfirmed for now.
I think that there's a real chance that Russia may have decided to retreat from these areas.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:26 pm to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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If/when Trump gets reelected, you can bet your life that the US will withdraw from NATO.
He had 4 years.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:30 pm to SlimTigerSlap
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If/when Trump gets reelected, you can bet your life that the US will withdraw from NATO.
the NATO agreement is a ratified Treaty. i believe it would take 2/3 voe in house and senate to break that treaty. for sure a president couldnt unaliterally withdraw the US.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:38 pm to tigeraddict
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the NATO agreement is a ratified Treaty. i believe it would take 2/3 voe in house and senate to break that treaty. for sure a president couldnt unaliterally withdraw the US.
He could pull all US troops out of Europe.
As far as withdrawing from NATO, the insane amount of power Congress voluntarily yields to the Executive, you never know though.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:41 pm to GOP_Tiger
Unless they have already decided to blow the dam upstream, there is no tactical reason to allow the UFA over the river unopposed. The river is a true natural obstacle that acts as a true force multiplier for the defending troops. Allowing a beachhead, especially if it is now no longer an isolated location but multiple villages, defeats the purpose of a planned withdrawal.
Allowing the UFA over the river unopposed makes no sense, so unless this is a trap or propaganda, if the UFA can cross unopposed it now puts that entire N/S to Melitopol under stress. One of the benefits of the withdrawal would be to allow some of the Kherson troops to reinforce w-sw of Dontesk all the way to the reservoir. If the UFA is already over the river in force then there is no way that can happen.
Allowing the UFA over the river unopposed makes no sense, so unless this is a trap or propaganda, if the UFA can cross unopposed it now puts that entire N/S to Melitopol under stress. One of the benefits of the withdrawal would be to allow some of the Kherson troops to reinforce w-sw of Dontesk all the way to the reservoir. If the UFA is already over the river in force then there is no way that can happen.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:54 pm to Tmcgin
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Read or you tube Peter Ziehan --its not good for China
I found out people on this board don't like Ziehan.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:59 pm to laxtonto
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Unless they have already decided to blow the dam upstream, there is no tactical reason to allow the UFA over the river unopposed.
The Russian army is in such disarray it couldn't oppose them. Obvious answer is obvious.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:59 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The U.S. has given 38 HIMARS systems and ammo to Ukraine since the summer.
Has Ukraine lost any HIMARS systems in combat?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:06 pm to Tigeralum2008
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The U.S. has given 38 HIMARS systems and ammo to Ukraine since the summer.
Has Ukraine lost any HIMARS systems in combat?
According to Russia they have destroyed 47 of the 38 HIMARS systems in Ukraine.
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