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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/28/22 at 6:15 pm to StormyMcMan
Posted on 6/28/22 at 6:15 pm to StormyMcMan
quote:one of the most shocking geopolitical events in modern history
Finland and Sweden joining NATO
Posted on 6/28/22 at 6:16 pm to Stidham8
You and Lima are running a very close race for who swallows more Putin cum.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 6:34 pm to WestCoastAg
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my biggest takeaway from this war is how its randomly now kyiv and pronounced "keyv"
It isn't really that random given the situation.
As I understand it the way I have always heard and pronounced it (distinct two syllables key-ev as in ever) is the American approximation of the Russian language pronunciation. The closer to one syllable keev is the (poor) American approximation of the Ukranian language pronunciation. If you listen to some Ukrainians it is more complex than a single syllable but it is very understated and not really something that most native American English find easy to pronounce without sounding like a ponce. Americans generally don't like to split syllables between vowel sounds. In lots of the South we are good with vocal undulations between vowel sounds (making single-syllable words found like 2, 3 even 4 syllables) but the Ukrainian pronunciations of Kiev is still foreign for some reason.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 6:49 pm to StormyMcMan
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Turkey is withdrawing its opposition and will support Finland and Sweden joining NATO at this week’s Alliance summit - the countries signed a joint statement after the talks in Madrid.
Wonder how that went down. They either gave them something in return or threatened to take something substantial. Interested in which & what.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 6:53 pm to Obtuse1
Igor says that Russia is tapped out. In the same article he suggest that Ukraine could take Snake Island and make it pay dividends by pushing back the Black Sea fleet. The US is sending over coastal patrol boats and more longer range missiles, so maybe it’s in the plans.
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. In the next few days I believe the operation will end. Why do I believe so? It is because, without going into detail, I have information that the enemy has already occupied with fresh forces the second line of defence from Seversk to Bakhmut, while our forces are practically at the limit of their offensive capabilities due both to losses and extreme exhaustion of LDPR forces. [
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Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:03 pm to crazy4lsu
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Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:05 pm to Warfox
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Russia isn’t gunning for the entiredq
What?
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:09 pm to DabosDynasty
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Turkey is withdrawing its opposition and will support Finland and Sweden joining NATO at this week’s Alliance summit
Call me crazy, but Finland and Sweden in NATO makes a lot more sense than Turkey in NATO.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:12 pm to crazy4lsu
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The separatists controlled 50% of Luhansk and 7,000 sq Km of Donetsk Oblast, but controlled the 3 of the 4 largest cities in that Oblast before 2022. So again, why did the Ukrainian GDP grow, despite this loss?
They controlled little compared to what they have now and especially compared to what they'll end up controlling. Donbas is the most natural resource heavy area in the entire country. The Russian gains in the south are larger than any gains they've made in the East in Donbas. They've also lost over 75% of their coastline and the remaining portion is under a naval blockade.
Russia is systematically crippling any chance of economic recovery.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:12 pm to dirtsandwich
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Finland and Sweden in NATO makes a lot more sense than Turkey in NATO.
Nah, Turkey occupies one of the most important geopolitical positions in the world.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:13 pm to Stidham8
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They controlled little compared to what they have now and especially compared to what they'll end up controlling. Donbas is the most natural resources heavy area in the entire country. The Russian gains in the south is larger than any gains they've made in the East in Donbas. They've also lost over 75% of their coastline and the remaining portion is under a naval blockade.
Russia is systematically crippling any chance of economic recovery.
Even though nearly 40% of their economy resides in Kyiv and Kyiv Oblast? You aren't making sense.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:16 pm to crazy4lsu
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Since I know you likely won't answer this question, the major administrative subdivisions by gross regional product in Ukraine are Kyiv, which produces 30 billion euros, Dnipropetrovsk, which produces 12.4 billion euros, Kharkiv, which produces 7.8 billion euros, Kyiv Oblast, which produces 6.9 billion euros, and Lyiv Oblast, which produces 6.8 billion euros. Kyiv the city is not part of the Kyiv Oblast. Donestk comes in at 6th, with a GRP of 6.5 billion euros. So it seems like all your hopes and dreams of a 'finished' Ukraine rest on a blockade? Because the key economic driver of Ukraine is Kyiv, not the Donbass, as resource-rich as it is. And Kyiv itself is more likely to be connected to Europe at large, not less likely, after this war, which should increase foreign direct investment, especially if Ukraine joins the EU.
Ukraine won’t be finished after this war - thats a ridiculous claim to make - but they will be lighter whatever Russia takes from them geographically: which will likely be the entirety of Donbas, and a healthy land corridor to connect Crimea to Donbas and Russia.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:21 pm to crazy4lsu
Michael Kofman twitter thread
Nice synopsis of the current situation. Points to big casualties on both sides and the potential for a pause this summer. Concludes that the long term prospects for Ukraine are better as long as the West keeps the supplies coming.
I tend to agree with the conclusion. Western aid is stepping in to a greater degree with ever more sophisticated weapons systems. The West can decide the outcome based on the support it provides. This isn’t the Afghani army. These guys have the will to resist.
Nice synopsis of the current situation. Points to big casualties on both sides and the potential for a pause this summer. Concludes that the long term prospects for Ukraine are better as long as the West keeps the supplies coming.
I tend to agree with the conclusion. Western aid is stepping in to a greater degree with ever more sophisticated weapons systems. The West can decide the outcome based on the support it provides. This isn’t the Afghani army. These guys have the will to resist.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:28 pm to crazy4lsu
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Even though nearly 40% of their economy resides in Kyiv and Kyiv Oblast? You aren't making sense.
That would be you my friend.
Ukraine's economy cannot handle being without Donbas, the South, and the coastline. The coal reserves and manufacturing in Donbas contribute significantly to the economy. The agricultural exports now blocked by the naval blockade are applying immense pressure. The small areas they lost in 2014 shrunk the GDP from 180 billion to 90 billion. It slowly climbed back but only to 110 billion.
Putin knows the West will grow tired of propping them up when our own economy is entering into a recession. If he chooses to have an operational pause another invasion will be inevitable against a much weaker, smaller, and broken Ukraine in the not too distant future.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:33 pm to crazy4lsu
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Nah, Turkey occupies one of the most important geopolitical positions in the world.
Can you elaborate more on this in the context of postwar Ukraine moving away from the common Russian railroad gauge and switching to one compatible with their EU neighbors giving them the ability to transport to and ship from Greece?
My assumption is this would increase transport costs after completion of the railroad simply due to increased distance alone, but does that make their international trade that much less attractive in a world where they can likely replace some of the same Russian goods traded? Do they trade that much with the ME? Shipping from Greece still puts Africa in a good place for trade. From Greece they can ship to Egypt then to Asia out of the Red Sea. Of course much of their trade will shift more to the EU over land as well.
ETA: same would apply to all EU trade around Turkey - ship from Greece into Africa/Egypt and out of the Red Sea.
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Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:01 pm to Stidham8
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Ukraine's economy cannot handle being without Donbas, the South, and the coastline. The coal reserves and manufacturing in Donbas contribute significantly to the economy.
But the Donetsk's GRP in 2019 was 6.8 billion euros, and the Luhansk's was 1.8. In euros, the totals of those regions was less than 10% of Ukraine's total GDP.
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The small areas they lost in 2014 shrunk the GDP from 180 billion to 90 billion. It slowly climbed back but only to 110 billion.
Your numbers are off. They went from $190 billion to $133 billion in 2014 to $91 billion in 2015 and rebounded to $155 billion in GDP in 2020. The rebound from the 2015 low to 2017 was 23%, which should indicate something to you that you are obviously not perceptive enough to pick up.
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Putin knows the West will grow tired of propping them up when our own economy is entering into a recession. If he chooses to have an operational pause another invasion will be inevitable against a much weaker, smaller, and broken Ukraine in the not too distant future.
The West also knows that Russian insecurity requires they take more of Ukraine. It goes two ways. If Ukraine joins the EU, what do you think will happen?
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:15 pm to DabosDynasty
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Can you elaborate more on this in the context of postwar Ukraine moving away from the common Russian railroad gauge and switching to one compatible with their EU neighbors giving them the ability to transport to and ship from Greece?
Well, I can't speak to that. I'm just saying that control of the Dardanelles and the Bosporus, as well as the mostly East-West orientation of Turkey, means that whoever controls that region has the ability to project power into Europe, Western Asia, and Central Asia extremely easily. Historically, it served as the staging point for entry into both Europe proper and West Asia, with easy access to Mesopotamia and North Africa. It also allowed for control of nearly all trade before Europeans found ways around Ottoman control, and thus made whoever controlled it extremely wealthy.
If Turkey was left to its own devices, and not part of the NATO security umbrella, it would no doubt seek more control of areas where it traditionally had access, like the entire Levant and the Tigris and Euphrates basin, as well as further into East Thrace and Southeast Europe. It already has sought more influence in those regions, but has been constrained in some regard by the US. Despite this, they are still in heavy competition with the Greeks, Israelis and Egyptians for control of the Eastern Mediterranean.
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does that make their international trade that much less attractive in a world where they can likely replace some of the same Russian goods traded?
This depends on foreign direct investment, I would think. Regardless of what occurs, Ukraine will seek heavy direct investment from other nations and corporations tied closely to EU nations, but the funding they find will depend on what their security situation looks like.
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Do they trade that much with the ME?
No. Their biggest trade partner is China.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:24 pm to Stidham8
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Putin knows the West will grow tired of propping them up when our own economy is entering into a recession. If he chooses to have an operational pause another invasion will be inevitable against a much weaker, smaller, and broken Ukraine in the not too distant future.
Really?
Putin hasn’t gotten anything right since the war started.
Initially he bit off more than he could chew. Downsized his goals, changed generals. Changed tactics. Misjudged the Ukranians. Misread the West.
If he was playing strip poker, he’d be butt naked by now.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:40 pm to doubleb
Do you ever get tired of pounding your head against a brick wall? There is nothing you can say that will convince him (and others) that Russia isn't the greatest nation on earth and that Putin isn't a grand master of geopolitical chess.
He's literally being paid to spew Russian propaganda.
He's literally being paid to spew Russian propaganda.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 8:47 pm to Chromdome35
This is a long post with updates on every front. I have been following this twitter account since the start of the war and have found his information to be unbiased and usually correct.
To see the detail in these maps, Right Click and download each map to your computer then open in your image viewer of choice and zoom in.
https://twitter.com/JominiW/status/1541582909177470976
To see the detail in these maps, Right Click and download each map to your computer then open in your image viewer of choice and zoom in.
https://twitter.com/JominiW/status/1541582909177470976
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1/ Ukrainian TVD, Day 108-123. Mid-June has seen the Russian Armed Forces maintain their operational momentum and make important gains in the Donbas while the Ukrainian Armed Forces continue to press their counteroffensive in the Kherson Oblast
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Kharkiv OD. The situation here remains tenuous for both sides as heavy losses, coupled with priority of effort to the Izium-Lysychansk area have reduced the combat capacity & capability of units operating in Kharkiv. The RAF will continue attempts to advance closer to Kharkiv.
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Ternova-Rubizhne AO. This area is the most critical portion of the Kharkiv OD for Russian & Ukrainian forces. Opposing force ratios will likely remain at 1:1 for quite some time. The RAF will likely continue their effort to regain control of Staryi Saltiv & the T2104 Hwy.
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5/ Severodonetsk-Donetsk OD. The tactical situation in the Popasna Salient & south of Lysychansk has deteriorated for the UAF. Russian forces have managed to advance north toward Lysychansk along the Siverskyi Donets. These successes have forced the UAF to abandon Severodoentsk.
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The UAF is in the process of consolidating and establishing new defensive positions in Lysychansk, but Russian forces are attempting to press their advantage along the T1303 Hwy and seize the heights in southern Lysychansk before the UAF fortify them.
If the RAF can keep the UAF units in Lysychansk off balance and threaten their encirclement it is likely the Ukrainian General Staff will opt to withdraw from Luhansk to establish a new defensive line on the heights running along the west side of the T0513 Hwy.
NW of Slovyansk Russian forces have been making slow but steady advances on a broad front roughly from Sosnove to Kuruika. Although UAF defensive positions are holding against successive assaults, pressure from the east could weaken this line.
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Zaporizhzhia OD. Activity in the OD generally remains localized attacks to improve tactical positioning, however, the UAF has conducted a sizeable counterattack south of Vuledar that has liberated several towns and shifted the line of contact at least 10km further south.
Partisan activity in this OD is steadily increasing with attacks common in Melitopol targeting Russian occupation administrators. Partisan activity is also targeting Russian supply convoys (rail & road) moving equipment through Melitopol to the Vasylivka & Polohy areas.
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Odesa-Kherson OD. The Ukrainian counteroffensive into northern Kherson has made gradual success over the last couple of weeks. Around Kherson City, the RAF has been pushed back from its first line of defenses, with the area between Blahodatne & Kyselivka heavily contested.
The UAF retains a window of opportunity in Kherson to seize key points that will make the RAFs long term defense of Kherson problematic. These gains must be made before Russian EW, close air, & indirect fire support prevent a further penetration of secondary RAF defenses.
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Black Sea OTMO. The Russian blockade of Odesa continues but is coming under increased UAF air & UCAV pressure. Improved UAF strike capabilities threaten to degrade the Russian Black Seas Fleet ability to interdict shipping in and out of Odesa.
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