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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/28/22 at 12:04 pm to Stidham8
Posted on 6/28/22 at 12:04 pm to Stidham8
quote:
The Eastern Front has collapsed and Ukraine is in full retreat.
You've said that for months now and we're still looking at the same zoomed in picture of one iota of 1/6th of the country. You're deluding yourself if you think Putin went all in so that Russia could expend thousands on troops of acres of farm land.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 12:05 pm
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Posted on 6/28/22 at 12:04 pm to Coeur du Tigre
Bulgaria expels 70 Russian "diplomats" on espionage charges. This is half the Russian diplomatic presence in Bulgaria. Rough translation -
Bulgaria has declared 70 Russian diplomats unwanted, Prime Minister Kiril Petkov said. The Foreign Ministry announced that Ambassador Eleonora Mitrofanova was handed a verbal note and a list of the names of those "who should leave the country by midnight on July 3, 2022."
In addition, the Russian Consulate General in Ruse is temporarily closed, and Bulgaria will temporarily close its consulate in Ekaterinburg.
This has been unprecedented for relations between the two countries for many decades.
The Foreign Ministry said in a statement that the number of diplomatic staff in both countries "should be maintained within up to 23 diplomatic and 25 administrative and technical staff".
TASS quoted a representative of the Russian embassy in Sofia as confirming that both diplomats and technical staff were on the list. A source from the Russian Foreign Ministry commented that there would be a response to the Bulgarian actions.
According to unofficial information that the embassy in Sofia had about 150 employees, this means a reduction of its staff by two thirds. Moscow's inevitable response may not be reciprocal in number, but it is very likely to lead to de facto paralysis and the closure of our embassy in Russia.
"We are recalling 70 Russian diplomats. Anyone who works for foreign interests will be called upon to return to the country from which he came," Petkov said. "Many of these people worked directly for foreign services and their diplomatic role was undercover. On Sunday, we expect a full plane with 70 seats to go back to Moscow," the resigned prime minister added.
"When foreign governments try to interfere in Bulgaria's internal affairs, we will clearly oppose it," he told reporters in the National Assembly.
His words come at a time when NATO leaders are gathering in Madrid. The Bulgarian delegation is led by President Rumen Radev.
Deputy Foreign Minister Irena Dimitrova, who was head of the NATO department in the ministry's Security Policy Directorate, called Mitrofanova for a meeting today. It was explained that there is a decision of the Bulgarian side to reduce the number of staff of the Russian missions in the Republic of Bulgaria within limits not exceeding the number of Bulgarian missions in the Russian Federation.
Bulgaria's request has two grounds:
A. reciprocity based on Art. 11 of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations; the staff of foreign missions should be maintained within a reasonable and normal framework, given the current state of bilateral relations
B. due to the implementation by Russian officials of an activity determined by the competent Bulgarian authorities as incompatible with the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, the aim of which is to develop friendly relations between the states.
Their activity is "classified by the relevant institutions as a threat to national security, as a reason for declaring them undesirable."
Bulgaria has declared 70 Russian diplomats unwanted, Prime Minister Kiril Petkov said. The Foreign Ministry announced that Ambassador Eleonora Mitrofanova was handed a verbal note and a list of the names of those "who should leave the country by midnight on July 3, 2022."
In addition, the Russian Consulate General in Ruse is temporarily closed, and Bulgaria will temporarily close its consulate in Ekaterinburg.
This has been unprecedented for relations between the two countries for many decades.
The Foreign Ministry said in a statement that the number of diplomatic staff in both countries "should be maintained within up to 23 diplomatic and 25 administrative and technical staff".
TASS quoted a representative of the Russian embassy in Sofia as confirming that both diplomats and technical staff were on the list. A source from the Russian Foreign Ministry commented that there would be a response to the Bulgarian actions.
According to unofficial information that the embassy in Sofia had about 150 employees, this means a reduction of its staff by two thirds. Moscow's inevitable response may not be reciprocal in number, but it is very likely to lead to de facto paralysis and the closure of our embassy in Russia.
"We are recalling 70 Russian diplomats. Anyone who works for foreign interests will be called upon to return to the country from which he came," Petkov said. "Many of these people worked directly for foreign services and their diplomatic role was undercover. On Sunday, we expect a full plane with 70 seats to go back to Moscow," the resigned prime minister added.
"When foreign governments try to interfere in Bulgaria's internal affairs, we will clearly oppose it," he told reporters in the National Assembly.
His words come at a time when NATO leaders are gathering in Madrid. The Bulgarian delegation is led by President Rumen Radev.
Deputy Foreign Minister Irena Dimitrova, who was head of the NATO department in the ministry's Security Policy Directorate, called Mitrofanova for a meeting today. It was explained that there is a decision of the Bulgarian side to reduce the number of staff of the Russian missions in the Republic of Bulgaria within limits not exceeding the number of Bulgarian missions in the Russian Federation.
Bulgaria's request has two grounds:
A. reciprocity based on Art. 11 of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations; the staff of foreign missions should be maintained within a reasonable and normal framework, given the current state of bilateral relations
B. due to the implementation by Russian officials of an activity determined by the competent Bulgarian authorities as incompatible with the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, the aim of which is to develop friendly relations between the states.
Their activity is "classified by the relevant institutions as a threat to national security, as a reason for declaring them undesirable."
Posted on 6/28/22 at 12:05 pm to Stidham8
Why don’t you move to Russia.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 12:06 pm to Stidham8
"Send in our Azov batallion!"
Posted on 6/28/22 at 12:25 pm to Stidham8
quote:June 28th
The Eastern Front has collapsed and Ukraine is in full retreat.
LINK
quote:June 21st
The Eastern frontline defense is collapsing for Ukraine.
LINK
quote:May 22nd
Russian advances near Popasna appear to be rapid. ISW is unable to confirm but the writing appears to be on the wall. They’re encircling the Eastern front.
Map where you talk about how fast Russia advancing May 10th
And for comparison on that fast advancing collapsing front on June 27th
And from April 9th LINK
quote:
- They’re strategy has shifted to encircling the Eastern Army in the southeast from two separate fronts. This will be the new major battle for the next month.
- Mariupol should completely fall within the next week. This will free up a lot of their manpower and artillery to help with the Southeastern front.
Mariupol fell 6 weeks after this and it's been basically 2 months of major battles.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 12:47 pm to StormyMcMan
quote:
quote:
The Eastern Front has collapsed and Ukraine is in full retreat.
June 28th
LINK
quote:
The Eastern frontline defense is collapsing for Ukraine.
June 21st
LINK
quote:
Russian advances near Popasna appear to be rapid. ISW is unable to confirm but the writing appears to be on the wall. They’re encircling the Eastern front.
May 22nd
Map where you talk about how fast Russia advancing May 10th
quote:
StormyMcMan
Posted on 6/28/22 at 12:55 pm to crazy4lsu
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Brother, do you think the press reports in the US were only about victories? Because you would be completely wrong.
Well, look for yourself what the press wrote in the United States.
Penagon accounted for billions of dollars of weapons purchased. Some SNN writes that Kabul has been cleared and there is a "green line". If the explosion is beyond the "green line", then this is a terrorist attack and the militant has been neutralized.
Further it is written that the Afghan government has been formed. But not a single reporter wrote that this "government" only supports the population that is connected with the US, works for the US and receives wages.
I have never read about the fact that the general population is hostile and this overwhelming majority has never been read in your media.
About the same in Ukraine.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 12:57 pm to REG861
quote:
StormyMcMan
Nothing quite like exposing someone else with their own documented stupidity.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:00 pm to Golgi Apparatus
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Nothing quite like exposing someone else with their own documented stupidity.
Stormy should bookmark his post and update and repost it each time Stidham makes a progress claim.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:01 pm to Palmetto98
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Russia is a republicans wet dream
Its amazing how dumb some people who post here are.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:01 pm to SirWinston
You mean the Azov battalion that pinned thousands upon thousands of Russians troops down for 3 months in Mariupol?
Posted on 6/28/22 at 1:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Its amazing how dumb some people who post here are.
It’s not okay to be in Denial
Posted on 6/28/22 at 2:00 pm to Palmetto98
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Turkey is withdrawing its opposition and will support Finland and Sweden joining NATO at this week’s Alliance summit - the countries signed a joint statement after the talks in Madrid.
LINK
Posted on 6/28/22 at 2:04 pm to Palmetto98
quote:
It’s not okay to be in Denial
You capitalized denial, you must really love it.
The very average American, easily duped by shitty yellow journalism has proved what a rube they really are during this conflict.
Everyone, including you should be wary of the official narratives regarding the war. Russia fricking sucks, but some of us don't make our decisions based on that.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 2:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Interesting. Apparently Chinese exports to Russia have plummeted, but their imports (Russia to China) have increased (I'm guessing Oil)
LINK
Link to data
quote:
Contrary to fears that China could intervene and help Russia fill the gap in access to military and high-tech goods, experts believe that China is afraid of losing access to American and European technologies and their markets.
According to The Washington Post, the author of the analytical material, Martin Chernempa, believes that the decline in Chinese exports to Russia demonstrates Beijing's fears of openly supporting the Russian Federation.
LINK
quote:
China's exports to Russia have plummeted even without formal sanctions, but imports from Russia are booming
Link to data
Posted on 6/28/22 at 2:25 pm to StormyMcMan
quote:
(I'm guessing Oil)
Yep. Up more than 50% this year.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 2:29 pm to StormyMcMan
NY Times on communication problems
The consequences are serious.
LINK
The NY Times on the covert training mission
LINK
These articles tell you what Washington is thinking, they haven’t given up, they’ll continue to fund the Ukrainians, but they don’t believe Ukraine can win.
quote:
The New York Times interviewed nearly two dozen Ukrainian soldiers over the last several weeks who all pointed to similar problems: Russians jammed their radios constantly; they didn’t have enough communication gear; and they often had difficulty getting through to a commander to call for artillery support. Talking to units stationed nearby was also an issue, they said, which has led to Ukrainian forces occasionally firing on one another.
The consequences are serious.
quote:
“It appears to me that the communication is a bit lopsided, because when we go to carry out some task, we can’t count on artillery support,” said Kostya, a soldier in a Territorial Defense unit who had recently rotated off the front. His company of about 100 men suffered around 30 casualties on their first day at the front.
LINK
The NY Times on the covert training mission
quote:
The United States withdrew its own 150 military instructors before the war began in February, but commandos from these allies either remained or have gone in and out of the country since then, training and advising Ukrainian troops and providing an on-the-ground conduit for weapons and other aid, three U.S. officials said.
quote:
The Ukrainian military’s most acute training problem right now is that it is losing its most battle-hardened and well-trained forces, according to former American officials who have worked with the Ukrainians.
LINK
These articles tell you what Washington is thinking, they haven’t given up, they’ll continue to fund the Ukrainians, but they don’t believe Ukraine can win.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 2:35 pm to ruff fish
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Well, look for yourself what the press wrote in the United States.
I know what the press wrote buddy. I read it daily for several years. Here are some examples.
LINK
LINK
LINK
The amount of work put out about Afghanistan is actually voluminous. These are some small snippets I found very quickly, but this doesn't even represent a fraction of the writing about the war in Afghanistan, or even the media representations. You clearly don't understand what you are talking about, so maybe you should refrain from speaking about it.
quote:
Some SNN writes that Kabul has been cleared and there is a "green line". If the explosion is beyond the "green line", then this is a terrorist attack and the militant has been neutralized.
What the frick are you talking about?
quote:
Further it is written that the Afghan government has been formed. But not a single reporter wrote that this "government" only supports the population that is connected with the US, works for the US and receives wages.
Again, what?
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 6/28/22 at 2:43 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:
Talking to units stationed nearby was also an issue, they said, which has led to Ukrainian forces occasionally firing on one another.
I'm not saying this isn't a crappy situation, but friendly fire (at least to me) is FAR more common than people think
Just for example
quote:
The rate of friendly fire deaths for all U.S. troops in World War II was 12-14 percent; Vietnam, 10-14 percent; Grenada, 13 percent; and Panama, 6 percent.
LINK
This link shows a list of frienldy fire incidents, but these are the ones documented just from this war
quote:
12 April 2022 – A Ukrainian T-64 fires at Ukrainian infantrymen posturing over a captured Russian tank, killing all the infantrymen.[264]
8 May 2022 – A Russian flamethrower unit mistook fellow Russian troops for the enemy, attacking them, with unknown casualties.[265]
10 May 2022 – During the Battle of Zaporzhzhia, Russian artillery fired on their own troops and destroyed over 20 armored vehicles.[265]
20 June 2022 – International Legion units spent two hours in a firefight with Ukrainian special forces
LINK
quote:
The Ukrainian military’s most acute training problem right now is that it is losing its most battle-hardened and well-trained forces,
Literally the same issue on Russian side.
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