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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/5/22 at 10:26 pm to
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 6/5/22 at 10:26 pm to
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The Ukrainians are baws at heart


Idk. I didn’t see any truck nuts or naked lady mud flaps on it.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45766 posts
Posted on 6/5/22 at 11:13 pm to
Oh this is going to send the pro-Russian and anti-Zelenski posters through the roof.

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Incredible. Zelensky visited frontline Ukrainian positions near Lysychansk, west of Severodonetsk. That area of Luhansk region—the last under Kyiv control—has seen heavy fighting around the clock in recent weeks. He was briefed on the situation and handed out awards to soldiers.
LINK

Damn that guy has balls.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45766 posts
Posted on 6/5/22 at 11:15 pm to
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The French will always do what’s good for the French, first and foremost. They’re not walking away from their investments in Russia.


From my express, the French are all clever and creative whores in some form or fashion. They will find a way to do busy with Russia until the first Russian check bounces.Then France will be back on the NATO unity train.
This post was edited on 6/5/22 at 11:16 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:31 am to
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Let me see, the terrain is flat and open on the north side of the city. UKR has artillery sitting on hill tops across the river 500 feet higher than the city. Without need of drones or any other aerial recon, they can pound retreating forces or even reinforcments like there is no tommorrow.

UKR doesn't need the city, Russia desperately needs it.


If you read his post, he actually says Ukraine should just surrender both cities. His reasoning being that they are Go to be encircled and they already can't retreat without getting shelled. So live to fight another day. So the high ground should just be given up without a fight.

What he doesn't mention is that the encirclement is also stalling and has progressed very slowly since the first breakthrough so that argument is basically void at present.
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
25990 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:36 am to
When will this shite be over so I can see Lomachenko in the ring again?
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:58 am to
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#Kharkiv Axis - #Ukraine made several moves in Kharkiv Oblast today. 21mi/34km to the NE of Kharkiv city #Ukrainian troops retook territory (no villages or towns just farmland) back to the international border, thereby creating two pockets of #Russian forces in the region. LINK


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#Russia can still move around the outside of the #UAF at the border by using roads w/in #Russia but reinforcements and supplies will have a much longer and slower route. #UAF also captured Tsupivka 18mi/29km N. This puts #RuAF within 5mi/8km of the border in that area. LINK


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Finally, #Ukraine attacked #Rubizhne, Kharkiv Oblast with tanks, artillery and infantry and is making headway into the outskirts of the town. #Russian forces have stated that #UAF controls the road into the town and that they are cutoff by the bridge to the N that RuAF destroyed. LINK
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 12:58 am
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:59 am to
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What about this great Kherson counter offensive yall we’re getting off to last week?


You mean this one? Seems to be pulling in more Russian troops

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#Kherson Axis - #Ukraine & #Russia traded territory today with #Ukraine capturing the small village of Sukhyi Stavok S of Davydiv Brid, while #Russia recaptured (or never lost) Davydiv Brid. #RuAF have been pouring troops into the area to try to push #UAF back over the river. LINK


If they get kicked out we will just call it a feint like the Russians do...

This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 1:05 am
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
36166 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:05 am to
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: Also an interesting study in to how stare decisis is a thing until it's not politically expedient.



Going back over some posts, and this is a topic that seems like an interesting debate could be had.

The original point was what defined a "Sovereign" Nation, and I asked the poster who made the claim that Ukraine wasn't a "Sovereign" nation if he believed the Confederacy to be a "Sovereign" nation (sorry for all the quotation marks, but they are relevant to the discussion).

Centinel then replied with this:

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Trick question. Under the legal precedence prior to the war? Yes. Under the legal precedence after the war? No.

I'll let you interpret the fallout as you feel fit.




Then he ETA'd the above postulation.

Despite what Centinel claimed was legal or not at the time, by the OP's definition of "Sovereign", was the Confederacy a "Sovereign" state? And does he consider it to be have been a "Sovereign" state?

And if so: how does he justify that belief with his belief that Ukraine is not one?


I know this isn't the thread for a full discussion of the topic, but thought I'd bring it forth here to gauge interest before starting a topic of it's own.

ETA: THe OP I asked about the Confederacy was JayDeerTay84 and this was his post I responded to:

quote:

If you are not protected by another country or faction of countries, you are subject to your own defense and the whim of the political atmosphere around you.

So, if you are invaded and taken over, you are nothing. Morals dont really mean much when reality hits.



The above is why he claims the Ukraine is not a "Sovereign" Nation.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 1:11 am
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
36166 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:19 am to
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Russia’s military is shooting its own officers.




Real talk, when is the last time that Russia had a military "conflict" that would have gained them real Officers with combat experience?


The US just had a 20 year "Engagement" that garnered us combat experienced Command, most who probably started out as combat participants 20 years ago and advanced through their experience and effectiveness in the arena.

The two biggest "Boogeymen" in the world - Russia and China _ do not have that at all. Hell, China has less military experience than Russia has.

We are seeing how ineffective Russia's Command is, so why is the Poli Board so scared of a conflict with China? We would absolutely crush them if we fought them head to head, instead of supporting someone else in their fight against them, like we are doing with Ukraine.
Posted by Kramer26
St. George, LA
Member since Jan 2005
6510 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:02 am to
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We are seeing how ineffective Russia's Command is, so why is the Poli Board so scared of a conflict with China? We would absolutely crush them if we fought them head to head, instead of supporting someone else in their fight against them, like we are doing with Ukraine.


China fights dirty. Just look at the Korean War history.
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8200 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:47 am to
Has there been a protracted near peer conflict this generation? I think even the Russian mil-bloggers recognize that their experiences in Syria did nothing to materially prepare them for this conflict?

Any experience is good experience, but this is a level (intensity and duration) of conflict that is probably foreign to even many officers in the US armed forces.

Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
75375 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:11 am to
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I know this isn't the thread for a full discussion of the topic, but thought I'd bring it forth here to gauge interest before starting a topic of it's own.
Not here you won’t.

We got that vapid “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin” sovereign bs behind us here.

Don’t attempt to revive it here.

Take all of this shite to the PoliBoard.

TIA
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5759 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:28 am to
British Defence Intelligence June 6

Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28829 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:37 am to
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We are seeing how ineffective Russia's Command is, so why is the Poli Board so scared of a conflict with China?

The PoliBoard contains a large number of posters who don’t live in reality and many who parrot foreign propaganda. Every once in a while a discussion of politics breaks out, but mostly it is disruption and fear porn.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
75330 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:39 am to
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The PoliBoard contains a large number of posters who don’t live in reality and many who parrot foreign propaganda.


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by TBitch




says the indoctrinated OT mouthpiece of the party of “Trust the Science”, “Believe All Women”, “Inflation is transitory”, “Inflation is a good thing”, and most famously “Muh, Russia”. Let us know when you can define what a woman is.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 6:49 am
Posted by Palmetto98
Where the stars are big and bright
Member since Nov 2021
2145 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:39 am to
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1. Stop deflecting from Russia’s misfortune.


What misfortune? It’s the same shvt, different sandwich condiments this time.
Posted by BamaSaint
Moh-beel
Member since Mar 2013
4034 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:44 am to
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What misfortune?

You all seem very upset that Russia hasn't won yet.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:08 am to
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The two biggest "Boogeymen" in the world - Russia and China _ do not have that at all. Hell, China has less military experience than Russia has.

We are seeing how ineffective Russia's Command is, so why is the Poli Board so scared of a conflict with China?


I think the Chinese question is one of quantity, and willingness to sacrifice that quantity, and economic entanglement. We’ve been experiencing the problem on a much smaller scale for 2 years now, imagine if there was an active war. The other issue with a conflict with China is our debt and ability to finance such a massive undertaking that would be. That said, force vs force is completely one sided unless China has done a better job of accumulating and maintaining supposed new tech unlike Russia.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16197 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:16 am to
Huh? High ground matters is the point. Only the ignorant think that eastern Ukraine is as flat as a pancake.

UKR has the high ground here though Russia has a ridge at Popansa, it has not been able to progress beyond the ridge
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16197 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:17 am to
Huh? High ground matters is the point. Only the ignorant think that eastern Ukraine is as flat as a pancake. In fact all along that river, UKR sits on high ground, Russia not so much on the opposite bank.

UKR has the high ground here though Russia has a ridge at Popansa, it has not been able to progress beyond the ridge.

It would be a good idea to increase your knowledge
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