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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:32 am to DabosDynasty
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:32 am to DabosDynasty
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The other issue with a conflict with China is our debt and ability to finance such a massive undertaking that would be. That said, force vs force is completely one sided unless China has done a better job of accumulating and maintaining supposed new tech unlike Russia.
They've done a much better job and their military is far more professional.
One thing that isn't looked at is the GDP differences between China and Russia.
China has the 2nd strongest economy and Russia is something like 16th. That gives China the financial strength to maintain/train their corps that Russia does not possess.
China has also focused heavily on projecting strength within their sphere meaning they are more specialized in missiles, Naval, amphib, and aerial warfare whereas Russia was more traditionally ground based
China would give us a tough time at first but just like Japan in WWII they would lack the production and technical capacity to win a long war againt the USA.
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:58 am to Tigeralum2008
China's debt is about the same as the USA. It has no complex rules and regs which limit industrial production. However, it is dependent on energy from outside the nation far more than the US is.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 9:00 am
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:58 am to Tigeralum2008
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they would lack the production and technical capacity to win a long war againt the USA.
Chinas industrial sector is much healthier than ours
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:05 am to Lima Whiskey
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they would lack the production and technical capacity to win a long war againt the USA.
Chinas industrial sector is much healthier than ours
A war with China would be Naval and Aviation heavy. They lack the shipbuilding/Aircraft production capacity compared to us. I'd also think that our civilian sector could ramp up production if the country was fully activated for a total war with China
We would have factories and shipbuilders out of reach of China where the USA could strike all of their ports
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 9:06 am
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:09 am to Tigeralum2008
I don’t know anything about their aircraft production, but their naval yards are cranking out ships.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:21 am to Lima Whiskey
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Chinas industrial sector is much healthier than ours
What do you mean? We can get anything we need from Amazon.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:25 am to DabosDynasty
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I think the Chinese question is one of quantity...
Indeed it is... 1st hand accounts ( as in me speaking with veterans of the Korean Conflict... ) are imo eye opening... The good guys would run out of ammo with an endless wave of Chinese pouring over the battlefield armed with pitch forks and sickles...
The quantity of soldiers at their disposal is the real concern...
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:34 am to Tigeralum2008
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A war with China would be Naval and Aviation heavy. They lack the shipbuilding/Aircraft production capacity compared to us.
While true, they have significant manufacturing and a track record of building things quickly, quality would be the question. There was a time where the same general thought applied to us and we turned on a dime when necessary. I think it would be naive to think China doesn’t have the potential to do the same, but again what’s the quality.
This would be an important advantage to maintain, which would require early and size able action on our part:
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We would have factories and shipbuilders out of reach of China where the USA could strike all of their ports
Posted on 6/6/22 at 10:02 am to Lima Whiskey
This is a real weakness for the US currently, but I think that the demand for capital ships may wane as missile technology and autonomous tech improves.
For the time being the US fleet is larger and more advanced than any other nation, which is more than sufficient in comparison to china.
For the time being the US fleet is larger and more advanced than any other nation, which is more than sufficient in comparison to china.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 10:03 am to Klark Kent
quote:While you might be right on the above (I would not know) if you just simply take a quick look at the poliboard lately, he is pretty much correct in what he said
says the indoctrinated OT mouthpiece of the party of “Trust the Science”, “Believe All Women”, “Inflation is transitory”, “Inflation is a good thing”, and most famously “Muh, Russia”. Let us know when you can define what a woman is.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 10:04 am
Posted on 6/6/22 at 10:08 am to Athanatos
I always assumed the Chinese would outnumber us, if only because their entire fleet is concentrated there.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 10:26 am to Lima Whiskey
They don’t even have real aircraft carriers. We have like 11. 
Posted on 6/6/22 at 10:39 am to Athanatos
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Has there been a protracted near peer conflict this generation?
While not protracted, the Iraqi Republican Guard was an example of an elite, decently equipped, well trained, experienced army that the US just rolled over with apparent ease. It should have put everyone on notice that you DO NOT WANT to frick with the US head-to-head in a classic combat arms contest. And you really DO NOT want to give us time to prepare.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:11 am to klrstix
China had a population surplus with many peasants back then. It is in population decline.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:13 am to Athanatos
China has the one jump ramp type aircraft carrier which was originally Soviet and bought as surplus from Ukraine as a bare hull/superstructure, but not fitted out.
China is dependent on raw materials from out of country, and oil as well. Look at recent FID based on contracts for LNG export terminals. Half of the contracts are with Chinese entities the other half with European. China is highly dependent on especially Brazil and Australia for ores.
Naval blockade in certain straits and capes around the globe will kneecap China's wartime production just like Japan was kneecapped in WWII
China is dependent on raw materials from out of country, and oil as well. Look at recent FID based on contracts for LNG export terminals. Half of the contracts are with Chinese entities the other half with European. China is highly dependent on especially Brazil and Australia for ores.
Naval blockade in certain straits and capes around the globe will kneecap China's wartime production just like Japan was kneecapped in WWII
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 11:17 am
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:20 am to CitizenK
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China has the one jump ramp type aircraft carrier which was originally Soviet and bought as surplus from Ukraine as a bare hull/superstructure, but not fitted out.
It’s just a training platform. Their indigenous carriers will resemble ours.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:23 am to Athanatos
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They don’t even have real aircraft carriers. We have like 11.
Only a portion will be available at any one time. For Iraq, we has six carrier battle groups.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:33 am to Lima Whiskey
"Generals fight the last war."
A potential showdown with China won't be like the Korean Conflict.
It won't be like Vietnam.
It won't be like Iraq or Afghanistan.
It won't be like what's happening in Ukraine rat now, although, that's a closer model than any of the others.
It'll be with a lot of gizmos and gadgets and technologies that many of us are not presently aware of.
Now back to the discussion of the current thread (Russian invasion of Ukraine), already in progress.
A potential showdown with China won't be like the Korean Conflict.
It won't be like Vietnam.
It won't be like Iraq or Afghanistan.
It won't be like what's happening in Ukraine rat now, although, that's a closer model than any of the others.
It'll be with a lot of gizmos and gadgets and technologies that many of us are not presently aware of.
Now back to the discussion of the current thread (Russian invasion of Ukraine), already in progress.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:34 am to CitizenK
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China had a population surplus with many peasants back then. It is in population decline.
True, but they still have over 1.4 billion people they can’t completely feed properly. They’ve got almost as many males between 20-44 as we do total population. Population decline or not, they hold significant advantage in terms of fighting aged males, who also are much less likely to be obese and unfit for duty.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:19 pm to CitizenK
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China had a population surplus with many peasants back then. It is in population decline.
China’s population in 2022 is estimated to be 1.439 billion, according to UN data. It was 1.379 billion in 2010. The population isn’t declining. Rather, it’s rate of increase is declining. Simply put, China’s population is still growing.
China effectively has two populations. One is composed of about 300 million (about the size of the US) who comprise China’s controlled capitalistic market. The other 1.1 billion are still “peasants” who scrape out a living with some government subsidization.
The commies don’t really know what to do about their massive population problem. The one-child policy is still in effect, mostly in the peasant population but the capitalist communists are allowed to have more than one, based, I suppose, upon the success they have in the market.
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