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Comparing crypto and traditional finance is not even comparable. There are multiple systems in place to protect your money at places like vanguard.


Correct. BTC is not constantly debased based on the political atmosphere of the given regime.
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Because the most recent line of argument in this thread seems to be that quantum computing will inevitably render BTC useless.


Well no. My argument is its a "made up" issue in as much as your entire technical backend for life will be upgraded with advancements in quantum computing. Meaning, advancements in technology dont just work one way. With advancements in speed, compute, etc, we ALSO get advancements in security, stability, and efficiency...

I am only point out how incredibly "unrealistic" it is for quantum computing to break and/or make BTC useless.

Impossible would be the word I would use but mathematically its possible, but as I mentioned it would be so economically and time consuming its nothing to ever worry about.

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Quantum computing can break crypto including bitcoin. The argument is it’s many years away. However, ai is speeding this process up ten fold.


Well, in theory you don't even need a quantum computer to "break" crypto. Just about a trillion years.

Quantum computers use qubits compared to the bits of today. In other words, can use the 0. and 1 at the same time. Current Quantum computers have 100 to a few thousand qubits currently. For any quantum computer to break BTC today it would need at leas a million qubits of power and likely over 100 MW of power.

But again, everything, including BTC will just upgrade to quantum resistant hash.
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Quantum computing

Generative AI

Fusion energy

All three are possible within the next 20 years. No one knows what the implications are within their own fields of study much less to wider range of scope to include bitcoin. Lots of smart people speculating.


With regards to security, its a function of math.

Take for example, BTC. Sha-256 which today means 3.31 x 10^56 years to crack.

With Quantum computing, Sha-256 basically turns it into 128 bits, 1.02 x 10^18 years to crack. Which is still next to impossible.

But you know, cryptographic hash functions such as Sha are upgradable. So again, its just a math function.

As we get closer, its going to be Y2K 2.0 with next to "nothing" happening...

Apple, Google, Microsoft, Banks, etc will upgrade without you likely even knowing.

Though theoretically, as it is a function of math, one could build a computer big enough to crack 1 BTC key but would likely, alone, consume hundreds of MW of power. For comparisons, the average power plant in America is around 50MW.

So yea, sure its "possible"...

With the capital it would take to crack 1 key, you are better off funding a private military and taking over a small country.
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Mmmm
Ok


For the simpler of minds: think of the internet prior to SSL. Everything was sent via plain text. it wasn't all that long ago either.
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There other thing he mentioned is the risk brought by Quantum computing. Hacking will be a growing issue.
It could actually eliminate bitcoin.

Seems to me everything’s at risk with quantum computing except hard assets.


I feel like people who dont understand anything just say things they hear.

Quantum computing is not a risk to much of anything.

Bitcoin has upgraded before (P2SH, SegWit, Taproot). It can do it again.

Furthermore, outside of Crypto, hashing/cryptography is upgraded every few decades. This is nothing new.

Post-Quantum migration is already taking place with regards to security.
Nah. In the next 5 years there will be more AI, more compute, more chips.
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because Medicare in general pays out WAY MORE than what people paid in.


And whose fault is that?

Just like the school loans, the government effectively guaranteeing payment does nothing but drive the costs up.

There is zero incentive for health care companies to ever lower prices.

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This fella makes me happy I didn’t vote for him (or anyone else).

$38,000,000,000,000 debt and he’s STILL printing money, throwing it at people, and screaming “love me!!!”


Well it makes sense when you consider US debt is an asset to the private sector.

I dont really understand why people think AI is a bubble. At least for the major players like Nvidia, Microsoft, Google, etc, its real products, real hardware, real compute. Its being bought and used.

The actual "slowdown" is actually going to be access to chips and energy.

At least in this case, cash is chasing actual revenue.
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I haven’t seen one indication that the debt is being reduced. Please show me some statistics showing that it is.

He should just pay the debt down with the tariff tax instead of giving out more “free” money


The system isn't designed to pay down debt. Its designed to have the tax payers continuously fund interest payments for it.

The debt will never be paid down nor paid off.
My grandfather completed his 25 missions. He returned home to live a happy life but later died from a heart attack while duck hunting when I was 4. Always wish I could have talked with him. I have no memories of him. Just photos and stories from my dad and uncles. :usa:
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Who’s taking the L if someone compromises my Schwab or Visa credentials?


Probably the same person running around cutting of toes for passwords.
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I’m not even sure why these threads always get confrontational


Because its the best performing asset over the last 15 years.


Gonna fall apart any day now. Just you wait.
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How about the idea that all it takes to steal your life savings is one motivated individual willing to do whatever necessary extract those 12 words…and poof those beautiful ledger digits are gone forever.


Considering it would take a supercomputer over a billion years to brut force 1 address, I think most people are good.
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It was 15 years ago. But it’s literally the only example in history where people will somehow argue that code written 15 yrs ago is worth more than code written today to do the same thing….and will only get exponentially more valuable in the future. Everyone better get their Windows11 licenses now, I can only imagine how much more expensive it will be in 2030. After missing the boat on Lotus 1,2,3 I’ll never make that mistake again.


You know, you responded initially to someone saying how its 2025 and people still do not know anything about BTC and this post right here perfectly sums that up.

You really do not know what you are talking about...

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Where should we start? Its purpose changes with the winds.


But you use dollars for more than one thing correct?

Why would a digital currency be any different?

If you did any research, like at all, at no point would you come to the conclusion that BTC was singular in use.

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Everyone that owns it will describe what it can be used for while shamelessly admitting they’d never use it for whatever was intended. It’s like the OT equivalent to saying college is a waste…for everyone else’s children.


You guys say this but that doesn't make it reality. It was never intended to be singular in use. I've used it for all sorts of things. Paid for things with it, soley for savings/investment, taken a loan against it, etc.

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And the biggest issue is that it’s the only technology in history where better alternatives are being continually being developed, yet the argument for BTC is brand loyalty and trust…


There are zero technologies that offer a better alternative. BTC's core rules have remained unchanged. The "trust" you downplay is the core reason for BTC remaining the undisputed king in the space.

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but most importantly, self interest to insure they can get more USD out than they put in.


When you invest, in anything, you do so with an expectation of return? Why is it that anyone who chooses to hold BTC for that purpose is any different than someone buying stock?

The reality is, you guys are just salty. For over 15 years its not zero and the trend remains "up". The only thing consistent in change is your next argument of why "you" think it has no value.

What you call "changing purpose" is really just layered utility.

ETH has 45% of its nodes controlled by its founders.
SOL offline multiple times
BTC is fully decentralized
BTC 99.99% uptime
BTC is the most liquid
BTC the most nodes
BTC the most hashrate
and 99% of all other coins are shite, dead, and have no liquidity.