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Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:34 am to KosmoCramer
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If he's instrument rated, then yes he had those skills.
How current they are is the question. Even if properly rated and current, how salient were those skills? When things go badly in IMC, they go bad FAST in many cases and it's literally a downward spiral that gets beyond your control.
There was an article i read that Kobe had his pilot practice safety maneuvers with Kobe in the plane. The article was by another passenger also, and the passenger was freaking out because they were practicing some dangerous things.
Point being it seemed like at first glance Kobe made safety a priority and didn't just scoff at it.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:35 am to baldona
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Kobe had his pilot practice safety maneuvers with Kobe in the plane.
so Kobe was a flight instructor too?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:36 am to baldona
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There was an article i read that Kobe had his pilot practice safety maneuvers with Kobe in the plane
Link because I'm curious.
Please and thank you.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:36 am to 777Tiger
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yuuuuge difference in being rated v. being proficient and current
Why is that though? Call me crazy but if I had a private pilot, I'd not only want him rated but I'd also want some proof. Is there not some sort of training they can go through routinely to make sure they are proficient?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:39 am to baldona
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Is there not some sort of training they can go through routinely to make sure they are proficient?
not in Part 91(general av, private,) flying, all that is needed is a biennial flight review, sounds like this chopper was on a Part 135 ticket, which would require at least annual training, where I work we have recurrent training every nine months
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:39 am to Street Hawk
I thought a fire broke out on the helicopter?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:41 am to Klark Kent
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but if the weather was that bad why take off?
You think weather, aviation rules, and gravity apply to rich elites???
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:42 am to 777Tiger
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not in Part 91(general av, private,) flying, all that is needed is a biennial flight review, sounds like this chopper was on a Part 135 ticket, which would require at least annual training, where I work we have recurrent training every nine months
I know it may not be required, but I'm saying I'd think there could be some additional training that is optional. If I'm a guy that has $500 mil or a billionaire, you put your guys through it to be extra safe.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:42 am to Hester Carries
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You think weather, aviation rules, and gravity apply to rich elites???
doesn't sound like that was the case here, but that's the price to be paid for that though
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:43 am to KosmoCramer
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Even if properly rated and current, how salient were those skills? When things go badly in IMC, they go bad FAST in many cases and it's literally a downward spiral that gets beyond your control.
Once panic sets in and adrenaline hits you might as well have had 3 margaritas. You can’t function much less at a task that requires fine mental and physical skills and coordination.
You are drunk and things you could do relaxed with an instructor by your side become impossible when it actually happens.
The best training kicks in automatically in spite of adrenaline, but it should have never gotten to that point. The best pilots avoid having to use their skills at all.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:43 am to 777Tiger
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it can go that fast but tracker is looking at gs, could have had some winds aloft?
A loaded out S-76 aint going that fast without a JATO rigged to the skids.
ETA: in level flight
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 11:58 am
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:44 am to baldona
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yuuuuge difference in being rated v. being proficient and current
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Why is that though?
uneducated guess here, but...
"rated" could be anyone that got their rating last week in a similar, but different aircraft.
"being proficient and current" to me is someone that has been doing this for a long time and has significant experience in this particular model helicopter.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 11:46 am
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:44 am to LSUintheNW
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There was an article i read that Kobe had his pilot practice safety maneuvers with Kobe in the plane
Link because I'm curious.
Please and thank you.
I tried to find it but there's a lot more crud to wade through right now.
I think Kobe had the pilot do the autorotate, I can't remember. If I run into it I'll post it up. I'm not saying Kobe knows hot to train him, it just seemed the article said Kobe definitely had safety on his mind.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:45 am to baldona
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If I'm a guy that has $500 mil or a billionaire, you put your guys through it to be extra safe.
seriously doubt that is a thought that ever crossed Kobe's mind, "I'm leasing this bird, it should be safe," and that's not an unreasonable assumption
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:48 am to 777Tiger
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seriously doubt that is a thought that ever crossed Kobe's mind, "I'm leasing this bird, it should be safe," and that's not an unreasonable assumption
Why is that? I get plenty of wealthy people are wealthy because they are frugal. But some of them also spend money on safety. If I had the money I'd want the guy flying my wife and kids around to be as good and proven as possible.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:49 am to 777Tiger
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LA Times article
Bryant favored the S-76B, Deetz said, which he compared to “a Cadillac, a limousine — it’s limo-esque.” The model is preferred by celebrities and known as comfortable and safe, he said. Its sister model, the S-76A, “is more like a work truck,” he said.
When he flew Bryant, Deetz said, the star was quiet: “It was always, ‘Hey,’ thumbs up, or sometimes nothing at all. He kept to himself. He would get in, get out, and that was it. There was no hugging, no backslapping — he was very professional.”
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:52 am to baldona
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Why is that?
well, like I said, he was leasing form a charter service, it's implied that their pilots are certified, experienced, and current, the training is on the air taxi operator, I haven't read any details but I feel sure the pilot was all of the above, just had a bad day
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:54 am to 777Tiger
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I haven't read any details but I feel sure the pilot was all of the above,
Seems like he was. His ADM just went out the window for some reason.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:54 am to 777Tiger
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does anyone know if the chopper was owned by Kobe and if the pilot was his employee or if it was a wet lease/fractional ownership? not that it matters at this point, just curious
Island bought the bird from the State of Illinois in 2015. They cut a Lease for endorsement deal with Kobe in 2016 and painted the S-76 in Kobe's colors and Mamba/Nike branding.
article about it
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