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re: Kobe chopper's flight pattern was just weird and all over the place
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:24 am to baldona
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:24 am to baldona
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Certainly, but unlike an airplane they don't have to continue moving forward right? Are helicopter pilots not taught how to simply go into a hover if they are disoriented? I honestly don't know, that just seems like a simple thing to do in my head?
How do you know you're hovering?
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Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:24 am to 777Tiger
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CFIT
Back to Google
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:24 am to KosmoCramer
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How do you know you're hovering?
Could the instruments tell you?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:25 am to KosmoCramer
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Sounds like "Get-there-itis" and an overconfident pilot.
Flying VFR into IMC. It has killed MANY people. Very sad.
As a low-time private pilot I would agree. It can be hard to avoid overconfidence when you’ve made the same flight hundreds of times.
Another thing, on his SVFR clearance you hear a lot of “stay at or below” a certain altitude. I believe the last one I heard was 2500 but there was a 1500 early on as well I believe.
If you’re not sure where you are in IMC around mountains you climb. I don’t give a shite what ATC tells you. Get the frick out of there (go up).
Declare an emergency and then get vectors home. I can feel some pressure by the pilot to abide by ATC limitations because he knew he fricked up already being out there under special VFR circumstances.
All speculative of course, but he shouldn’t have even taken off. He could be a good, experienced pilot over many years. But that day he was a bad pilot because he failed in his ADM. If he were here he would probably tell you the same.
Should have never made the decision to fly that day.
“Better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than in the air wishing you were on the ground.”
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:25 am to KosmoCramer
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How do you know you're hovering?
Instruments
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:25 am to LSUintheNW
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Could the instruments tell you?
Yes certainly.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:26 am to KosmoCramer
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How do you know you're hovering?
Airspeed and altitude.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:26 am to Street Hawk
It would seem like the #1 rule of flying a helicopter is Don’t crash into a mountain.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:27 am to LSUintheNW
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Back to Google
controlled flight into terrain
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:27 am to KosmoCramer
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Yes certainly.
Ok then....so why couldn't he hover?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:27 am to Slingin Pickle
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Instruments
Clearly not in this case.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:28 am to 777Tiger
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:29 am to LSUintheNW
I get a plane pilot getting disoriented and they have to continue moving forward. I just don't get a helicopter pilot doing that. Seems like you should have some training where you practice being disoriented and use the instruments to get to a hover?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:29 am to LSUintheNW
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Ok then....so why couldn't he hover?
Get disoriented and not look at the proper instruments and go through corrective protocol.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:30 am to Slingin Pickle
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:31 am to baldona
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I just don't get a helicopter pilot doing that. Seems like you should have some training where you practice being disoriented and use the instruments to get to a hover?
You would think.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:31 am to KosmoCramer
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Get disoriented and not look at the proper instruments and go through corrective protocol.
Here's what I don't understand, you are either IFR trained or not. How can one pass IFR and still get disoriented in a helicopter and crash? Its one thing to know how to do it its another to be competent to do it when the shite hits the fan, and its seems like the reality is a lot of these private planes they are trained but not actually competent. I guess that's why commercial requires 2 pilots so you have a back up.
But if there's only 1 pilot, their arses should be grounded in any conditions remotely requiring IFR then and this was certainly the case?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:32 am to baldona
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I get a plane pilot getting disoriented and they have to continue moving forward. I just don't get a helicopter pilot doing that. Seems like you should have some training where you practice being disoriented and use the instruments to get to a hover?
If he's instrument rated, then yes he had those skills.
How current they are is the question. Even if properly rated and current, how salient were those skills? When things go badly in IMC, they go bad FAST in many cases and it's literally a downward spiral that gets beyond your control.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:33 am to baldona
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you are either IFR trained or not.
yuuuuge difference in being rated v. being proficient and current
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:33 am to baldona
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But if there's only 1 pilot, their arses should be grounded in any conditions remotely requiring IFR then and this was certainly the case?
Each pilot has their minimums they SHOULD stand by and say "We aren't flying in this" even if they legally can.
Again, this is probably a case of an overconfident pilot and Get-There-Itis.
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