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re: Karen Read murder trial - Not guilty on main - guilty of OUI(DUI) only
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:40 am to IT_Dawg
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:40 am to IT_Dawg
quote:Do you not see why?
You legit couldn’t understand a question and then you called me an arse hole
The post even contains an edit
Calm the frick down and post like you're not mad 24/7.
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:49 am to IT_Dawg
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you clown. You didn’t even read the conversation happening
I’ve been in this thread since the beginning but great way to start a discussion
Your take is just like MB = clearly not bright but you do you and we’ll chalk you down to someone to pass over moving forward
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:50 am to IT_Dawg
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Anyhow, back to KR. Again, I 100% feel like she should be found not guilty, but I don’t really know if I believe she’s innocent
What did the CW prove that shows KR hit JO with her Lexus? What evidence is there that she is not innocent? After following the second trial, it sure seems like the McCabe/Higgins/Albert group are much more likely to have done something to JO than KR. If the CW had any morals they would have not brought this case to trial.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:51 am to idlewatcher
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Your take is just like MB = clearly not bright but you do you and we’ll chalk you down to someone to pass over moving forward
Sounds good!
And my take, is that she should be found not guilty, because the CW didn’t prove anything. Not sure why you would have a different take, but you have the right to your opinion
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:53 am to RPC4LSU
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What did the CW prove that shows KR hit JO with her Lexus?
They didn’t, which is what I’ve said from the beginning and in trial 1 as well….
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After following the second trial, it sure seems like the McCabe/Higgins/Albert group are much more likely to have done something to JO than KR. If the CW had any morals they would have not brought this case to trial.
100% agree with all of this
Posted on 6/15/25 at 10:44 am to IT_Dawg
I think the CW failed to prove the elements of the crime so I’d vote not guilty. But a few things always bothered me..
the dog bites were such a huge part of this case. Should the commonwealth have agreed and said yeah, after JOK was laying in the yard they let the dog out to do his business and he must’ve tore his arm up? To me that would’ve changed the whole narrative.
Also, when Karen first talked to Jen that morning she thought she left JOK at the Waterfall. And why didn’t Karen ask Jen wtf happened if she saw him go in the house and knew Jen was there?
I guess none of that matters now and the jury has it to decide. Like I said, I’d vote not guilty since the CW failed to convince me of a crime.
the dog bites were such a huge part of this case. Should the commonwealth have agreed and said yeah, after JOK was laying in the yard they let the dog out to do his business and he must’ve tore his arm up? To me that would’ve changed the whole narrative.
Also, when Karen first talked to Jen that morning she thought she left JOK at the Waterfall. And why didn’t Karen ask Jen wtf happened if she saw him go in the house and knew Jen was there?
I guess none of that matters now and the jury has it to decide. Like I said, I’d vote not guilty since the CW failed to convince me of a crime.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 11:04 am to JDPndahizzy
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Also, when Karen first talked to Jen that morning she thought she left JOK at the Waterfall.
This is purely a lie from Jen to words in Karen’s mouth. Jen McCabe is a lying liar.
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the dog bites were such a huge part of this case. Should the commonwealth have agreed and said yeah, after JOK was laying in the yard they let the dog out to do his business and he must’ve tore his arm up? To me that would’ve changed the whole narrative.
If the CW admits the scratches are from a dog then what are the injuries sustained from impacting the Lexus?
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 11:07 am
Posted on 6/15/25 at 11:15 am to IT_Dawg
quote:Interesting
but I don’t really know if I believe she’s innocent
Posted on 6/15/25 at 11:26 am to IT_Dawg
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Which dog, who punched him and what did he hit his head on?
Whichever dog likely attacked him. Explain his injuries.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 11:51 am to civiltiger07
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If the CW admits the scratches are from a dog then what are the injuries sustained from impacting the Lexus?
The hole in his head?
Posted on 6/15/25 at 12:37 pm to JDPndahizzy
Dr. L discussed that dog bite occurred while he was still alive and not postmortem so that blew a hole in that theory. She described the changes seen to the skin that differ alive vs dead. That head injury he sustained has about 10-15 min max from occurring to deceased. So it would be hard to argue that they happened to let the dog out at the exact moment the event occured.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 12:41 pm to 10tiger
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Dr. L discussed that dog bite occurred while he was still alive and not postmortem so that blew a hole in that theory.
Good point!
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:23 pm to IT_Dawg
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but I don’t really know if I believe she’s innocent
What part of his injuries or death do you think she contributed to?
Or do you think she planned the whole thing with whoever did this to him?
Your admission that there is no evidence of her involvement, but you still think she is, is the reason people are confused by your post.
Are you one of those people who believe a person wouldn’t be arrested if they didn’t have something to do with it?
Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:37 pm to AlxTgr
The aggression comes from being disagreed with.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 5:01 pm to JDPndahizzy
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The hole in his head?
The trauma to the back of his head was not from being hit by a vehicle even in the light most favorable to the commonwealth.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 5:03 pm to Chappy
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Your admission that there is no evidence of her involvement, but you still think she is, is the reason people are confused by your post.
Are you one of those people who believe a person wouldn’t be arrested if they didn’t have something to do with it?
First of all, I am stating that the CW never proved the elements of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt….which should conclude with a not guilty verdict
I never once said that they didn’t provide some evidence that could lead someone to believe she was involved….but in America, you must prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Not sure why this is such a hard concept to understand. There has been some good testimony and evidence that could lead someone to believe she was involved, but the defense argued each very well to give reason to doubt….
If someone commits a crime, but can convince a jury there is reasonable doubt as to them committing that crime, they should be found not guilty.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 5:44 pm to IT_Dawg
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I never once said that they didn’t provide some evidence that could lead someone to believe she was involved
What exactly did they prove to show she was involved?
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:56 pm to IT_Dawg
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There has been some good testimony and evidence that could lead someone to believe she was involved
Well what was this good testimony and evidence?
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:34 pm to IT_Dawg
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There has been some good testimony and evidence that could lead someone to believe she was involved, but the defense argued each very well to give reason to doubt….
You are contradicting yourself here which leads me to think you don't believe what you wrote before "but".
Posted on 6/16/25 at 6:25 am to IT_Dawg
Everyone understands that. We are trying to figure out why and how you think she is involved.
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