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re: Karen Read murder trial - Not guilty on main - guilty of OUI(DUI) only
Posted on 6/14/25 at 9:24 pm to IT_Dawg
Posted on 6/14/25 at 9:24 pm to IT_Dawg
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For me, I’m not convinced she didn’t have a part in it.
That’s what I asking about. What kind of a part do you think she had in the death of John O’Keefe?
He was bit by a dog, punched in the face, and hit his head on something when he fell backwards.
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Posted on 6/14/25 at 9:40 pm to civiltiger07
Better question is what evidence is there that he got hit by a vehicle?
Posted on 6/14/25 at 9:56 pm to tigersof2013
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What are y’all’s thoughts on her guilt after watching everything? Not in the eyes of the law but just in general
There hasn't been one person in this thread, who thinks she is guilty, provide a reasonable reason why they think she is guilty.
I listened to some of AJ's closing argument. He did an excellent job summarizing everything especially when they are at the Waterfall bar and Higgins is yelling at O'Keefe from across the bar, then him texting O'keefe. Anyone who says she is guilty doesn't know the details of the case.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 9:58 pm to RPC4LSU
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Last interaction on the phone was approximately 12:32, not movement. Don’t think the phone tracks movement when it’s “off”.
Did either side claim the phone was off? I know my phones location data changes when my phone is locked and I am not interacting with it.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:02 pm to Whatafrekinchessiebr
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Did either side claim the phone was off?
Not turned off but the lock button was pressed at 12:32 and some seconds.
The prosecution is alleging that the pedestrian strike happened sometime after the lock button was pressed.
That would mean Karen had 4 minutes to make it back to John’s house. According to google it is a 7 minute drive, and Jen McCabe testified that it took them 10 minutes to drive from John’s house to 34 Fairview the morning they found John.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:23 pm to civiltiger07
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Not turned off but the lock button was pressed at 12:32 and some seconds. The prosecution is alleging that the pedestrian strike happened sometime after the lock button was pressed. That would mean Karen had 4 minutes to make it back to John’s house. According to google it is a 7 minute drive, and Jen McCabe testified that it took them 10 minutes to drive from John’s house to 34 Fairview the morning they found John.
All of the above are facts in evidence.
I’m asking what did the prosecution PROVE:
JO was injured and died on January 29, 2022. What else did they PROVE?
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:37 pm to civiltiger07
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He was bit by a dog, punched in the face, and hit his head on something when he fell backwards.
Which dog, who punched him and what did he hit his head on? Everyone points the the cell phone evidence to exonerate KR (which again I say she be found NG), then explain the cell phone evidence of a dog biting him, someone punching him, then throwing his phone…all within the minutes of KR leaving the house
This post was edited on 6/14/25 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:33 am to IT_Dawg
quote:Chloe.
Which dog
I don't understand the rest of your post.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:56 am to AlxTgr
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I don't understand the rest of your post.
You mean, you don’t know how to respond…..
I clearly asked, who punched him, what did he hit his head on….and all of this somehow happened within 4 minutes of KR leaving the house??
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:59 am to IT_Dawg
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Which dog, who punched him and what did he hit his head on?
That's on the cops and prosecutors to figure out.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 6:59 am to IT_Dawg
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who punched him, what did he hit his head on
Don’t know who punched him, it wasn’t Karen and he didn’t hit his head on Karen’s Lexus.
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all of this somehow happened within 4 minutes of KR leaving the house??
Where does this 4 minutes come from?
You are falling in the same trap that the first jury did. We don’t know who did this to John but Karen was there so it could be her.
It wasn’t Karen. Based on the evidence I am confident that Karen had nothing to do with John’s death.
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 7:03 am
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:04 am to civiltiger07
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Where does this 4 minutes come from?
The post I was responding too…supposedly Karen could not have hit him, because of the cell phone evidence and the timing of her connecting to the WiFi
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:08 am to IT_Dawg
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supposedly Karen could not have hit him, because of the cell phone evidence and the timing of her connecting to the WiFi
Ah ok
John’s phone was locked by human interaction at 12:32. Karen connected to John’s WiFi at 12:36. This means that Karen had to have left 34 Fairview before 12:32. According to google it’s a 7 minute drive.
Whatever happened to John may have happened to him while Karen was still parked in the street in front of 34 Fairview.
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 7:16 am
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:36 am to IT_Dawg
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I clearly asked, who punched him, what did he hit his head on….and all of this somehow happened within 4 minutes of KR leaving the house??
Your take is like MBunderclassman.
1. For this trial, it doesn’t matter who punched him.
2. For this trial, it doesn’t matter what he hit his head on
3. For this trial, it’s not the defense’s job to prove what happened. It’s to prove what didn’t happen.
Why was there a missing 40+mins in the sallyport?
Why was an ATF agent in the sallyport who just so happened to be at 34 Fairview as well?
CW didn’t prove shite other than they are liars and their witnesses are also liars.
List of liars:
Devers
McCabe
Fired lead investigator Proctor although they were too chickenshit to put him on the stand
Hank himself
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:51 am to IT_Dawg
quote:No a-hole, it made no sense.
You mean, you don’t know how to respond…..
quote:None of us can know that.
who punched him, what did he hit his head on…
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:54 am to idlewatcher
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1. For this trial, it doesn’t matter who punched him.
2. For this trial, it doesn’t matter what he hit his head on
3. For this trial, it’s not the defense’s job to prove what happened. It’s to prove what didn’t happen.
you clown. You didn’t even read the conversation happening. I said in the first post, I 100% believe she should be found not guilty because I didn’t think the CW proved any of the elements beyond a reasonable doubt….. This conversation was about what could have happened and one of those things could have involved Karen…but again, the CW did not prove that
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:59 am to AlxTgr
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No a-hole, it made no sense.
Others didn’t seem to have a problem with understanding it….
quote:
None of us can know that.
Ahhhh, so it did make sense to you
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:10 am to IT_Dawg
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I clearly asked, who punched him, what did he hit his head on….and all of this somehow happened within 4 minutes of KR leaving the house??
Tell Proctor and Hank to figure it out. That is their job, not KR's job.
The truth is we will never really know that night as the individuals involved are protected and more equal there in Canton and will take it to their graves.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:11 am to IT_Dawg
quote:Good for them.
Others didn’t seem to have a problem with understanding it….
quote:Uh, when you restated? Sure.
Ahhhh, so it did make sense to you
What's with the aggression? There's zero need for you to act this way.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 8:18 am to AlxTgr
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What's with the aggression?
You legit couldn’t understand a question and then you called me an arse hole
That’s the only aggression going on here
Anyhow, back to KR. Again, I 100% feel like she should be found not guilty, but I don’t really know if I believe she’s innocent
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