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Is this a reasonable list of changes we should require of PDs?

Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:21 am
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
7419 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:21 am
A lot of people are asking what is going to put a stop to the protests, both violent and peaceful, and allow us to turn the page. I think if AG Barr, in conjunction with local and state leaders, presented a list of reasonable police reforms and ensured compliance, we could really start to turn the page.

I've been doing a lot of reading lately and I have come across many good ideas, including some on this board. What do you think of this list?

- Bodycams have to be on for any and all calls. Technology to automatically enable the cameras when an officer responds to a call would be fantastic.

- No more military-style battle uniforms other than specific teams like SWAT. There's no need for police to dress like military...it can lead to them believing they're military.

- Three Strikes and you're out. 3 complaints, you're gone. A national database should be created to prevent troublemaking cops jumping from one force to another by hiding their work history.

- Lawsuits for brutality are paid by police unions and/or police pensions. Taxpayers are no longer responsible for paying for dirty cops. This discourages the current environment where cops cover other cops.

- Military surplus sales to police go back to being prohibited. They're a police force, not the military.

- If an officer is caught belonging to, or contributing to, racist organizations or social media movements, they're fired.

- Reviews of complaints against police actions are handled by an outside, independent review board who do not work with the officers on a daily basis.

-Badge numbers are to be displayed prominently on uniforms, as if they were jersey numbers.


There is more we could do, but I think these would go a long way in calming tensions, showing efforts are being made, while still allowing police to do their jobs, just in a more traditional sense.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
34993 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:22 am to
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If an officer is caught belonging to, or contributing to, racist organizations or social media movements, they're fired.



Can you provide a list?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134845 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:22 am to
We're protesting right now. Can you give us a summary?

#BLM
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
33445 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:23 am to
I see merit to all of this, but I'm sure others will be by to blast you just for the sake of it.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:23 am to
99.9% of your issues are solved if you get rid of public sector unions, and in this case, the police unions.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
18259 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:23 am to
No. I even support police reform and most of those are dumb. Get rid of police unions that are a mafia protecting shitty cops and you solve lots of those problems in one swing.
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:23 am to
I don't think they should do traffic stops unless they have probable cause to believe a felony has been committed.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72025 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:23 am to
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This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 12:47 pm
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167108 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:23 am to
Yes. Stop with civil asset forfeiture
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
34993 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:24 am to
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Three Strikes and you're out. 3 complaints, you're gone


Do they have to be credible? Do they get any sort of investigation?
Posted by Panic
Texas
Member since Aug 2009
32 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:24 am to
Only if people stop resisting and comply when stopped.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
16966 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:24 am to
As far as complaints are concerned, does this mean actual proven complaints or just complaints in general?

Because people will bitch about nothing. Because a “i didn’t appreciate his attitude” is hardly a real complaint.
Posted by titmouse
a tree branch above your car
Member since May 2006
6353 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:24 am to
Some of these are reasonable.

quote:

- If an officer is caught belonging to, or contributing to, racist organizations or social media movements, they're fired.


Is WAAAYYY too slippery.

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:24 am to
No more no-knock warrants.

Mental health response teams for people who are having mental health episodes.

End the absolutely retarded War on Drugs

Posted by pmacattack
Member since Oct 2016
6662 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:24 am to
How do you objectively determine where a filed complain has merit or not?
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
7419 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:25 am to
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Yes. Stop with civil asset forfeiture


Great call.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24694 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:25 am to
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Can you provide a list?


How much you wanna bet the NRA would make the list?
Posted by SG_Geaux
1 Post
Member since Aug 2004
77929 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:25 am to
quote:

- Three Strikes and you're out. 3 complaints, you're gone. A national database should be created to prevent troublemaking cops jumping from one force to another by hiding their work history.


And how do you account for bullshite complaints that will happen in huge waves?

quote:

- Lawsuits for brutality are paid by police unions and/or police pensions. Taxpayers are no longer responsible for paying for dirty cops. This discourages the current environment where cops cover other cops.


Will lead to masses of frivolous bullshite lawsuits.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:26 am to
quote:

No more no-knock warrants.

Mental health response teams for people who are having mental health episodes.

End the absolutely retarded War on Drugs


Yep. End civil asset forfiture and police unions...situation is much different as well as the type of employee you're recruiting/hiring, IMO.
Posted by LSUJML
BR
Member since May 2008
45187 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:26 am to
How about people hold their city council members & mayors accountable?
They are the ones setting policy
They are the ones that set pay
They are the ones that skim tax payer money for pet projects

Quit making everything a federal case, make your local leaders accountable for their policy & decisions
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