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re: Is this a reasonable list of changes we should require of PDs?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:35 am to SG_Geaux
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:35 am to SG_Geaux
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Will lead to masses of frivolous bullshite lawsuits.
I'd argue the reverse. If you are requiring the officer to maintain malpractice insurance privately, the interests of the officer, the insurance company, and ultimately the citizen are altered to everyone's benefit.
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:35 am to SG_Geaux
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frick that. My best friend was killed in the line of duty BECAUSE they knocked and announced they were there, giving the guy time to arm himself, position himself, and start shooting the split second the door opened.
That is terrible, and I'm willing to concede some ground on no-knock warrants, as long as you can limit situations like Breonna Taylor. What's the middle ground between cops getting killed due to having to knock and innocent people getting killed due to sloppy police work?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:36 am to mmmmmbeeer
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an officer is caught belonging to, or contributing to, racist organizations or social media movements, they're fired.
We’ve been told repeatedly that this website is racist. ...
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:36 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Three Strikes and you're out. 3 complaints, you're gone. A national database should be created to prevent troublemaking cops jumping from one force to another by hiding their work history.
How about 3 upheld CIVIL RIGHTS complaints. Bogus complaints are a dime a dozen in the police world.
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 10:38 am
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:37 am to mmmmmbeeer
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You post something on social media that is blatantly racist, you're gone.
So any cop that posted a black square yesterday or #BLM should be fired?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:37 am to crazy4lsu
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End the absolutely retarded War on Drugs
Ok, El Chapo.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:37 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Bodycams have to be on for any and all calls. Technology to automatically enable the cameras when an officer responds to a call would be fantastic.
That’s basic is what the policy is for departments that have them. There are exceptions and not every officer has one though. For instance Officer A may be a detective and not have dash/body cams but during a special event like a hurricane or riot they are now uniformed and dealing with people.
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No more military-style battle uniforms other than specific teams like SWAT. There's no need for police to dress like military...it can lead to them believing they're military.
Ok. I don’t think it’s as wide spread as you think it is but sure.
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Three Strikes and you're out. 3 complaints, you're gone. A national database should be created to prevent troublemaking cops jumping from one force to another by hiding their work history.
Ok so just three complaints? Do they have to be sustained complaints or can Karen call on you bc she didn’t like how you talked to her while you have her a ticket?
Is there a time period or just three complaints in your 30yr career? Seems like a long time to only be allowed three screw ups.
What about severity? If I call someone a MFer but you punched an old lady are they considered one each?
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Lawsuits for brutality are paid by police unions and/or police pensions. Taxpayers are no longer responsible for paying for dirty cops. This discourages the current environment where cops cover other cops.
If anything that would create a counter environment you’re looking for. If I’m your supervisor and you did something shady but it’s going to effect my retirement, I think more people would be inclined to help themselves out as well.
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Military surplus sales to police go back to being prohibited. They're a police force, not the military.
This is a huge myth and essentially was just created as a way for the federal govt to do something with the armored vehicles after Iraq. Police still had armored vehicles before this policy was changed and the armored vehicles are needed in high risk situations.
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If an officer is caught belonging to, or contributing to, racist organizations or social media movements, they're fired.
Agree, but I’m pretty sure it’s already a rule
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Reviews of complaints against police actions are handled by an outside, independent review board who do not work with the officers on a daily basis.
Some departments already do this. See LSP for an agency in LA. However this isn’t practical for smaller departments with minimal budgets.
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Badge numbers are to be displayed prominently on uniforms, as if they were jersey numbers.
Don’t really know what this would do since they already have their name on the uniform?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:39 am to mmmmmbeeer
I'll see your list and raise you a list.
1. Body cams mandatory to be on when on duty. If something happens and you don't have body cam of it, then you are responsible for it personally (no immunity).
2. War on drugs eliminated with no substances being banned. Make all drugs equal to drinking which is legal after 21.
3. Police are out of the fund raising business. That means no chickensh!t speed traps and no sitting out at 2am and ticketing the guy who stops and then goes through a red light when NOBODY is around. Asset forfeiture would of course be gone when war on drugs is gone.
4. Mandatory training on civilians civil rights. Tests will be administered and anyone deficient will undergo enhanced training or removed. If a police officer violates rights more than once a year (proven) they will be removed.
IMO, police should be concentrating their efforts on policing victim crimes instead of fund raising like they do now. This would greatly reduce the interaction and put a focus on freedom more than being a hall monitor. Of course for this reform to be enacted, police unions and thin blue line would be no more. Nobody should be above the law.
1. Body cams mandatory to be on when on duty. If something happens and you don't have body cam of it, then you are responsible for it personally (no immunity).
2. War on drugs eliminated with no substances being banned. Make all drugs equal to drinking which is legal after 21.
3. Police are out of the fund raising business. That means no chickensh!t speed traps and no sitting out at 2am and ticketing the guy who stops and then goes through a red light when NOBODY is around. Asset forfeiture would of course be gone when war on drugs is gone.
4. Mandatory training on civilians civil rights. Tests will be administered and anyone deficient will undergo enhanced training or removed. If a police officer violates rights more than once a year (proven) they will be removed.
IMO, police should be concentrating their efforts on policing victim crimes instead of fund raising like they do now. This would greatly reduce the interaction and put a focus on freedom more than being a hall monitor. Of course for this reform to be enacted, police unions and thin blue line would be no more. Nobody should be above the law.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:42 am to mmmmmbeeer
I like the badge numbers as big as a jersey.
Name on the back of course. You Hate Me will be a good seller in the gift shop as well.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:42 am to Tornado Alley
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How in the hell do we expect high school educated police to know this? Are you serious?
I don't want police to deal with this. I'm suggesting teams separate from the police that are trained in dealing with mental health episodes. Police are ill-equipped to handle mental health episodes.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:42 am to brass2mouth
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the armored vehicles are needed in high risk situations.
I think people are either stupid or just turn a blind eye when they start to spout all these rules that will eventually lead us to federalized police.
For examples of what federalized police bring to the table take a look at Ruby Ridge and Waco.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:43 am to drdoct
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Make all drugs equal to drinking which is legal after 21
That's the devil talking.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:44 am to drdoct
I can get behind this list. OPs list is shite
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:44 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Three Strikes and you're out. 3 complaints, you're gone.
This one's a ridiculous idea. Do you have any idea how many people file frivolous brutality complaints?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:44 am to drdoct
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Make all drugs equal to drinking which is legal after 21.
When your 8 year old get a little taste of fentanyl in her Halloween candy and meets her maker at that young age I'm sure you'd still be for total legalization right?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:45 am to drdoct
Can they make the body cameras turn on when your pulse is elevated?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:45 am to pmacattack
quote:Anything deemed as excessive force/harassment maybe?
How do you objectively determine where a filed complain has merit or not?
ETA: For those mentioning frivolous complaints of excessive force - the always on, always recording body cams would help weed out what's bullshite and what's legitimate
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:48 am to mmmmmbeeer
quote:Would have to be 3 complaints that were investigated and determined to be legitimate cases of obvious wrongdoing.
- Three Strikes and you're out. 3 complaints, you're gone. A national database should be created to prevent troublemaking cops jumping from one force to another by hiding their work history.
quote:You would need to be very specific with this. Just liking one of Trump's tweets is enough to get some liberals to accuse you of being racist nowadays.
- If an officer is caught belonging to, or contributing to, racist organizations or social media movements, they're fired.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:48 am to TexasTiger90
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Anything deemed as excessive force/harassment maybe?
Who gets to make this list?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:49 am to OysterPoBoy
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Make all drugs equal to drinking which is legal after 21
That's the devil talking.
Why? I think we should police the victim crimes. If someone wants to smoke peyote and snort 20 lines of coke in their house, I have no problem with it. If that leads to them killing their spouse or kids, then there is your crime. Does it make them any less a victim if the perpetrator is high or not? People should be free even if they do things that hurt them. The state needs to get out of the nanny business. It's not like they actually care. It's all about them stealing the money.
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