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re: Is this a reasonable list of changes we should require of PDs?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:50 am to Aristo
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:50 am to Aristo
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EBRSO has a pretty good track record with its interactions with citizens. I would say BRPD has improved over the last 15 to 20 years.
one of my close friends resigned from BRPD about 10 years ago because he didn't want to be a party to routinely violating the rights of folks who were ignorant that their rights were being violated. he said it made him sick how they would take advantage of folks who didn't know what the cops were and were not allowed to do in regards to searching vehicles and crap like that. that's cops everywhere, though.
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:51 am to LSU316
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When your 8 year old get a little taste of fentanyl in her Halloween candy and meets her maker at that young age I'm sure you'd still be for total legalization right?
You understand the same amount of drugs are already here right? What would make that more illegal than it is already with legalization? Spiking kids candy doesn't NOT happen because of the war on drugs.
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:51 am to mmmmmbeeer
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No more military-style battle uniforms other than specific teams like SWAT. There's no need for police to dress like military...it can lead to them believing they're military.
jesus.. End QI
End the war on drugs
Strip laws and regulations to a minimum which require fewer cops and more freedom.
Nix police unions.
That's all that's needed.
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 10:57 am
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:52 am to TexasTiger90
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ETA: For those mentioning frivolous complaints of excessive force - the always on, always recording body cams would help weed out what's bullshite and what's legitimate
Many depts have cameras now but people still call and make a complaint which in turn has to be investigated and waste department time and money.
I think we should also hold citizens accountable. Make a frivolous complaint, then face charges/fine/jail time.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:53 am to mmmmmbeeer
Police reform starts with accountability. Until there is accountability for the "bad apples", the problems will never go away.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:54 am to LSUJML
quote:If you're talking about who determines what is excessive force/harassment, I would say an independent review board (civilian), akin to a jury. Not saying I have the answers obviously, but it seems like a decent start
Who gets to make this list?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:54 am to TexasTiger90
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the always on, always recording body cams
Here is the issue with body cams that no one is appreciating. Yes, departments can buy the body cams even though they are relatively expensive. Do you realize how much data they generate? Where does that data get stored?
I have some insight on this. The data storage for ONE YEAR can exceed the initial capital outlay for the devices themselves. How do you think Dry Prong PD is going to afford that? We are talking massive TB's of data that has to be kept for what Years? There just isn't money for this in a department that is paying officers $15 an hour and barely making budget by writing speed trap tickets.
It all comes down to $$$'s and people don't seem to want to acknowledge that.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:54 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Is this a reasonable list of changes we should require of PDs?
I like it. Draft it up and lets vote.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:54 am to brass2mouth
quote:I don't disagree with this either.
I think we should also hold citizens accountable. Make a frivolous complaint, then face charges/fine/jail time.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:59 am to brass2mouth
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I think we should also hold citizens accountable. Make a frivolous complaint, then face charges/fine/jail time.
Absolutely....but this can't happen unless the independent review board is in place. Both police and citizens have to trust the process if there are going to be penalties based on the outcome of a review.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:02 am to jbgleason
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It all comes down to $$$'s and people don't seem to want to acknowledge that.
Hopefully it's not in HD 1080p when really 360 or even 240p would be acceptable. But It's a great point and maybe some sort of Federal cloud service is needed but then you have another whole set of civil rights/laws needed to be covered before you do that. (or maybe not).
While I do not want a federalized force. I do believe it could do more along the set rules for the nation and help to make sure civil rights are respected.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:03 am to jbgleason
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It all comes down to $$$'s and people don't seem to want to acknowledge that.
Or actually pay increased taxes to make it happen
That’s why I keep repeating go to the source, watch what your city council is doing, watch where your mayor is spending money
Do you need new playground equipment this year or body cameras
Do you need a 75k study on the feasibility of a zoo or an updated training for your cops?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:05 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Three Strikes and you're out. 3 complaints, you're gone.
You wouldn’t have a police force
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:09 am to mmmmmbeeer
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If an officer is caught belonging to, or contributing to, racist organizations or social media movements, they're fired.
You mean like SPLC?
You mean like the NAACP?
You mean like the Party that fought against Civil Rights?
You mean like the Congressional Black Caucus?
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:24 am to mmmmmbeeer
Red Flag rules... nagh I’m good.
Regardless of the job or industry, every rule that makes a job harder than it currently is makes the job more expensive or filled by someone with lower qualifications. Increased personal criminal and civil liability will weaken the talent. If a union is dismantled, people still have a right unionize. The first time a non-union worker is perceived to be hung out to dry, the group will start a union for protection.
More money is part of the solution. Good luck with getting that.
Regardless of the job or industry, every rule that makes a job harder than it currently is makes the job more expensive or filled by someone with lower qualifications. Increased personal criminal and civil liability will weaken the talent. If a union is dismantled, people still have a right unionize. The first time a non-union worker is perceived to be hung out to dry, the group will start a union for protection.
More money is part of the solution. Good luck with getting that.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:32 am to Panic
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comply when stopped.
even if they stopped you illegally without reasonable suspicion Nah that just leads back to fan the flames of the power trip the bad cops are on now.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:36 am to mindbreaker
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:37 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Three Strikes and you're out. 3 complaints, you're gone. A national database should be created to prevent troublemaking cops jumping from one force to another by hiding their work history.
The problem with that is the majority of complaints are not only unsubstantiated but also false.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:43 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Bodycams have to be on for any and all calls. Technology to automatically enable the cameras when an officer responds to a call would be fantastic.
Fair
quote:Dumb
No more military-style battle uniforms other than specific teams like SWAT. There's no need for police to dress like military...it can lead to them believing they're military.
quote:Complaints have to be determined valid by the "independent review board" that you mentioned later in your post. I don't know about the number 3, but yeah something like that, depending on the severity of the allegations.
Three Strikes and you're out. 3 complaints, you're gone. A national database should be created to prevent troublemaking cops jumping from one force to another by hiding their work history.
quote:I don't know enough about this to make a fair argument either way, but sure I guess.
Lawsuits for brutality are paid by police unions and/or police pensions. Taxpayers are no longer responsible for paying for dirty cops. This discourages the current environment where cops cover other cops.
quote:Who cares?
Military surplus sales to police go back to being prohibited. They're a police force, not the military.
quote:Sure, as long as it's valid and not arbitrary.
If an officer is caught belonging to, or contributing to, racist organizations or social media movements, they're fired
quote:Fair
Reviews of complaints against police actions are handled by an outside, independent review board who do not work with the officers on a daily basis.
quote:Sure, I guess. Is there an issue with identifying police officers who are acting out?
Badge numbers are to be displayed prominently on uniforms, as if they were jersey numbers.
I also think that police academies and continuing training should be required, and some sort of educational background should also be required. We don't need highschool/college dropouts with a chip on their shoulder becoming police officers. Increased wages should go along with stricter requirements to become police officers (wages should be something like 1.25-1.50x the median wage for the area that the police officer works).
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:43 am to mmmmmbeeer
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3 complaints, you're gone.
Stupid idea.
Police get complaints against them 24/7 that have absolutely no merit whatsoever.
This is the equivalent of the "believe all women" lie.
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