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re: Is paying fines or tickets in coins such as pennies and nickels legal?
Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:34 am to Parmen
Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:34 am to Parmen
I expect that they would refuse to accept it. You might could take it to the courts and win but you'd spend an assload of money to make a stupid fricking point. And if you're rude to the ladies at the Clerk's office there's a strong chance you'll be posting bond with an eye swollen shut.
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Posted on 9/22/19 at 12:29 pm to Parmen
They will try to make you count them for accuracy ....
Posted on 9/22/19 at 12:49 pm to Parmen
I once went to pay a speeding fine in Scott. It was something like $xx.50. For just the 50 cents part, I grabbed change out of my car which included some pennies. Those cocksuckers didn't even want to except that.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 1:08 pm to shinerfan
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I expect that they would refuse to accept it. You might could take it to the courts and win
I pointed out before you would not win, nobody ever has though some cities have relented and taken the pennies once rolled. While based on downvotes most people think I am wrong but they should check with the Mint/Treasury:
"Mike White of the U.S. Mint said cities are not obligated to accept payments made in pennies, which he said is an increasingly common practice across the country when people want to make their frustrations with public bodies known."
UPI
I found several legal articles but they are behind Lexis/Westlaw paywalls.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 1:33 pm to Parmen
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Is paying fines or tickets in coins such as pennies and nickels legal?
yes, and it's the ultimate "frick you" move....
Posted on 9/22/19 at 1:39 pm to shinerfan
I got a ticket near Lake Charles. When I pled it down, I had to go to the Post Office to get a money order. The courthouse didn't take cash or credit/debit cards..
Posted on 9/22/19 at 1:41 pm to Tarps99
The fact that downtown Houma has pay for street parking is outrageous in itself.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 1:54 pm to chRxis
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yes, and it's the ultimate "frick you" move...
You really should stay in your lane when it comes to the law, you already proved earlier in the week you don't understand HIPAA one area of law you should actually know.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:06 pm to Obtuse1
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Yes, they can refuse it, despite the second phrase above there is no Federal statute that mandates anyone accept coins or currency as payment.
What? You have to be kidding. US coins are valid for “all debts” according to a federal statute.
Title 31 (Money and Finance), Subtitle IV (Money), Chapter 51 (Coins and Currency), Subchapter I (Monetary System), Section 5103 (Legal Tender) of the United States Code states:
United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.
USGOV
This post was edited on 9/22/19 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:11 pm to Obtuse1
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You really should stay in your lane when it comes to the law,
Curious statement when you have said there is no federal statute saying coins are acceptable form of payment. There is a precise statute on that exact issue for “all debts”.
This post was edited on 9/22/19 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:12 pm to Parmen
Why punish office workers who have nothing to do with the laws or your ticket? Douche move imo
Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:15 pm to AUveritas
Because they enforce them as they discretionarily choose.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:15 pm to go ta hell ole miss
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US coins are valid for “all debts” according to a federal statute.
I understand why you think this means what you suggest. See the link I provided later and check this one out. The courts have decided this applies to states and municipalities as well.
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I thought that United States currency was legal tender for all debts. Some businesses or governmental agencies say that they will only accept checks, money orders or credit cards as payment, and others will only accept currency notes in denominations of $20 or smaller. Isn't this illegal?
The pertinent portion of law that applies to your question is the Coinage Act of 1965, specifically Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," which states: "United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues." This statute means that all United States money as identified above are a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor. There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy.
US Treasury
Try finding any case law that says a municipality is required to take pennies in payment, plenty have turned it down and some have been sued, none have lost.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:16 pm to go ta hell ole miss
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Curious statement when you have said there is no federal statute saying coins are acceptable form of payment. There is a precise statute on that exact issue for “all debts”.
Read my links.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:20 pm to Obtuse1
quote:So we can pay our credit cards and mortgage in pennies?
This statute means that all United States money as identified above are a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor.
Cool.
This post was edited on 9/22/19 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 9/22/19 at 3:21 pm to Bullfrog
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Because they enforce them as they discretionarily choose
I'd be willing to bet that they can't arbitrarily decide which ones to enforce. Only a judge or prosecutor can do that.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 5:25 pm to Parmen
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This post was edited on 9/22/19 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 9/22/19 at 5:29 pm to Parmen
If you think you can somehow get under their skin, you can’t. Maybe you’re being petty, but they’d rather deal with your pettiness than have to issue warrants and waste time arresting people who don’t pay their tickets.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 5:35 pm to Parmen
Don’t be a dick. Sack up and pay your fricking fine like a man.
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