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Why would demons need vehicles? With lights?
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If the US intentionally targeted him, that suggests he wasn't the one they wanted to negotiate with.


Has it been confirmed that we were the ones that took him out? Maybe our "allies" don't want peace yet.
No regime change or end to the Islamic Republic mullahs? We're about to 100% leave the Iranian people in the lurch.
1 Thesselonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

I think it's safe to say that Paul's use of "we" would include himself. He obviously felt that Jesus would return in his lifetime.

In 1 Corinthians 7:26–31, Paul advises against marriage and major life changes, arguing that "the time is short" and "this world in its present form is passing away," indicating a belief that the end was near.
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Arm the Iranians.


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There it is


How? With what? How do we determine only the good guys will get them? Do we need to train them?

It sounds good on paper, logistically not so much.
Dispensational theology and eschatology are doing more harm to this country than even the most radical leftist could ever hope to do.
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Paul wrote prodigiously.


I was talking about biographical information for future posterity. Paul wrote letters to settle doctrinal disputes, primarily. However, Paul obviously felt that Jesus' return was imminent (though he seemed to change his mind in his later writings), as did the Gospel writers that quoted Jesus as saying that He would return before their generation would pass away.
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I don’t worship the Bible

You have absolutely made an idol out of Scripture.

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If they are God’s word, then there will be characteristics of it that reflect God’s character.

Ig God wrote them Himself and dropped them from Heaven.

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Again, it is strange to see a supposed Christian work so hard to show that the Bible is less than what it claims about itself. I really don’t think you’ve thought this through.


It makes no claim of inerrancy. And, as you said yourself, any mention of Scripture refers only to the OT.

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The Scriptures were known and used widely as such by the end of the first century. Those writings from and approved by the Apostles had pedigree that were known by the churches they were sent to.

Not in the way you're claiming. Different churches used different Scriptures.

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The other writings were known and used, but not as sacred Scripture

Wrong again. They were treated as Scripture.

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You also seem to not understand the difference between the canon being complete and the canon being formally acknowledged by a Council. 

There was no universal canon. It's why the Catholics, Orthodox and Copts still have different canons.

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As Christianity spread to other non-Jewish nations, the need for writing was necessary, and the epistles and gospels eventually were written for that need.

That's just patently false. There was nothing written down initially because Paul and other Christians believed Jesus would return in their lifetime. They didn't see a need to write things down until it started to seem they could be wrong

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2 Timothy 3:16-17 speaks of the Scriptures as being God-breathed. 2 Peter 1:20-21 says that Scripture is from God, not man. Jesus taught many places that Scripture cannot be broken, such as in John 10:35. Hebrews 6:8 says God cannot lie.

Again, this references only the OT. Also, nowhere do you see inerrancy referenced.


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The Bible includes the Old Testament, which was around long before the incarnation of Jesus.

If we were discussing the Jewish Bible, that'd be relevant.

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It sure is odd to see a supposed Christian work so hard to attack the Bible.

It's as weird to me to see someone worship a book and assign it attributes that belong only to God.

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Also, the Bible was complete by the end of the fist century

Individual books that most couldn't read were. The Bible wasn't complete for 400 years. Early Churches also used books like The Epistles of Clement, the Didache, The Shepherd of Hermas, etc.

It's weird that Jesus never wrote anything down, nor did any of His followers for a generation yet you think it is the linchpin of Christianity. Even the Bible that you think is perfect and contains all sources of Chrostoan truth makes no claims about being the inerrant word of God. But Paul does claim that the Church is the source for all truth
Christianity predates the Bible. How can Christianity be dependent on it? What were the implications for the 1st generation of Christians who had no Bible? Never mind the fact that there wasn't a canon for the first 400 years of Christianity.
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Even the link you provided states that copyist errors occurred.


So, contradictions exist and the Bible isn't inerrant?

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The inerrancy of the Bible speaks to the original autographs, not all copies that could ever be made


But we don't have the original autographs so such a claim is nonsensical. We have copies of copies. You have no grounds to claim that it's just the copies that are wrong.

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because if it is God's revelation, it will not have been transmitted with errors.



But what if it's just people trying to make sense of God's revelation with their very limited mind?

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Are you a Christian?

Yes. But my faith isn't dependent on the Bible. I hold to the infallibility of the Bible rather than literal inerrancy. I believe the spiritual message and its overarching truth are divine and true, even if the human recording of history or science reflects the era in which it was written and is susceptible to minor errors.




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You cited an apparent contradiction and then followed up by making the claim that most biblical scholars agree with you. 


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The basic idea is that the oldest tradition is assumed to have preserved the story of an otherwise unknown Elhanan who killed Goliath, while later traditions deliberately attributed this heroic deed to David to shore up the reputation of Israel’s greatest king

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it's merely a copyist error, as I believe 


Based on what? This is the mental gymnastics I am referring to. Which scribe would have made the mistake? How does this now now show that the Bible is not inerrant if you are correct?

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 If it's God's word, then it is incapable of error, and therefore all other "facts" must be interpreted in light of God's revelation, not the other way around.


So, obvious errors can't be errors because you think there can't be errors?
Why have so many conservatives (a la Candace and Tucker) begun parroting crazy conspiracy theories? Did it begin with the Q-tard stuff?

Edit: Sorry. I see that someone already brought this up.
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There were no errors in God’s word as originally written. The autographs were infallible.

Errors can exist in copies, and yet again I say that we know what the original autographs were.

We are not in agreement.


Then feel free to link a copy of the oldest manuscripts and show that the translations are wrong.

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And yet God’s word is clear that it was David.


It's absolutely not. I just showed that it's not.

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“Biblical scholars” believe a lot of things that are intended to destroy the credibility of the Bible because a lot of “Biblical scholars” don’t even believe the Bible is God’s revelation.


Even if that were true (which it absolutely isn't), it doesn't make their conclusions false. When truth conflicts with your opinions, it doesn't automatically make the facts wrong.

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The natural response is that there was a copyist error in 2nd Samuel 21, with an omission of "the brother of", which 1 Chronicles rightly includes. 1 Samuel 17 is the long narrative and is repeated many times in the Scriptures, so that passage is the baseline for the true narrative. Scribal errors are common in the biblical manuscripts


So, there are errors. Glad we agree.

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but fortunately God has preserved His word in such a way that we can tell what was original.


And most Biblical scholars agree that Elhanan was likely the original slayer of Goliath.

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"Mental gymnastics" is a pejorative used when someone tries to explain away what is not an actual contradiction. It's rather convenient for folks like you: you can claim a contradiction exists, and then belittle any response to the contrary. Instead "mental gymnastics", I prefer the term "explanation".


I would too.
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I think you should consider what constitutes a true contradiction and then look into those alleged contradictions a bit more. The internet has made this a lot easier to talk about

There are many. For instance:
1 Samuel 17 says David killed Goliath.
2 Samuel 21:19 says Elhanan did.
1 Chronicles 20:5 tries to fix the contradiction saying Elhanan actually killed Goliath's brother.

Trying to make those verses not contradict each other is the very definition of mental gymnastics

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I think you should check your church history on that
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I know it very well. Thanks, though.

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Second, I believe the Bible is the word of God, and since God cannot lie, the Bible must be true, in spite of what fallible men say.


I'm a Christian but it's undeniable that there are contradictions in the Bible. The widespread dogma of Biblical inerrancy is fairly new.
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ABC News is reporting that U.S. officials have intercepted an encrypted communication believed to have originated in Iran that may serve as "an operational trigger" for "sleeper assets" outside the country based on "preliminary signal analysis" according to a federal alert sent to law enforcement agencies


Uh oh. False flag time. Have to justify putting boots on the ground to the American people.
This is a pretty good synopsis of the possible (and plausible) strategy of Iran.

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For those of you who have served or are familiar with logistics and supply, during the prolonged high-intensity conflict with Iran, how does the U.S. military manage attrition of ordnance and the secure transport of JP-5 aviation fuel to carrier strike groups?
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Too funny not to post on here. These are some creative insults.

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