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He didn’t “suck” in college…

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he certainly didn't light it up, either...

and he doesn't have near the arm, nor physical toughness, to be a 2nd coming of Josh Allen, the last mediocre college QB to become better in the NFL...

guess we'll find out how good a QB coach Moore really is b/c up to this point, no one knows... he's benefited from having good QBs to work with already, so we'll see how he can grow one, I guess

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Will be a DE.

Godchaux will be starting nose with Saunders and Boyd likely his backup.

Sheppard will be a rotational piece and I don't know anything about Ridgeway.

I'd imagine Cam Jordan or Chase Young will be the other DE, unless CY moves out on the OLB spot. Granderson will be our Edge. Broughton can more than likely backup both DE spots. Some of these guys will likely get cut, injured, etc. Once you get through cuts and injuries and start the season, our depth isn't as good as it seems to be right now on paper.

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for the sake of the discussion, let's just concede you are right... you talk about depth and how it will be not as good later on.... so going by this same line of thinking, how does our CB room look to you? looking at the DT and CB rooms, pre-draft, which one would you say had more overall talent, and which one could have used more help? and if our depth is going to be worse later on, how comfortable are you with our CB room currently? or our WR room for that matter?

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Him being a bad backup then gone is the worst that can happen and even if he's a good backup it means we used a pick where we could easily find an immediate starter on a backup.

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EXACTLY

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Maybe just saying he knows what a good QB looks like and what a bad one does too (Sanders).

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you do realize that we didn't HAVE TO take a QB, right? it's not like it was a binary choice between Shough and Sanders...

we all know they wanted Dart, and were targeting him at 40, which would have been fine... Dart gives you much better upside, and is more in line with amount of talent coming out next year, so taking him at 40 and giving him time to develop, that's all fine and understandable... but taking a guy that HAS TO get with it very quickly b/c of his age, who's talent level is nowhere close to some of the guys next year that we will likely have a chance to draft, you can see why it's a highly questionable pick

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Got me

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look man, we are all on the same side, at the end of the day... we all want the Saints to do well, and win... there are going to be things that we see differently, as it relates to the team... I just have a lot of questions as far as our draft philosophy, and it pisses me off when I see teams like Philly simply draft so well, year after year after year, amassing a crazy amount of talent and being a contender every year....

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Your a genius.

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i'm not... but I do know when to use "you're" vs. "your", so I got that going for me... :cheers:

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it’s time to start adding some skill position (high end) talent to this roster

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you can't do that when you are drafting the same position to cover for prior drafting mistakes... which is what the Banks pick was, point blank period... it's an admission they fricked up on Penning...

Banks is a very good player, and yes, i'm glad we got him, even if I hate the fact that we were in the position of having to address OT yet AGAIN... but yeah, I guess it is what it is

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Kellen Moore has worked with top 12 QBs everywhere he's been a coach

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how many did Moore, himself, make better? he's had Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert, and Jalen Hurts.... all those guys were very good QBs already when Moore got to work with them... if you look at their stats before and during Moore, they don't increase at all once Moore gets them under his tutelage...

he's never "made" a QB, if anything these QBs have made him... shite, the year he left the Cowboys, Dak actually led the NFL in TD passes and completions, proving that it wasn't specifically b/c of Moore that Dak was having success

look, maybe he is a QB whisperer, I don't know... I just know that he's had plenty of talent to work with already and when you look at their stats, they look basically the same before, during and after Moore worked with them, so i'm not sure where this whole trust for his ability to work with QBs comes from...

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One season and a bust.

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two... and yes...

let me ask you, does this:

27 games, 0 starts, 25 tackles, 9 solo

scream "impact player" to you?

eta: I forgot 0 sacks... yeah, ZERO

i'll let y'all selectively ignore all of the other prospects, conveniently, as if i'm actually advocating for either of these guys, specifically... :lol:

interesting y'all aren't contending Shough vs. Manning, Nuss, Seller, etc.... it's ok... i know...

but let's look at some stats:
QB A 62.9%, 6302 yds, 53 TD, 10 Int, 144.0 rat
QB B 63.0%, 7820 yds, 59 TD, 23 Int, 147.7 rat

who's who?