re: Iowa fraternity hazing video - police discover 56 blindfolded pledges in basement

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What if they held college athletics to the same “hazing” standards, it’s a felony for everyone else, but make an athlete run stairs until they puke is different.

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Or the military. Or S&M practitioners. Or any people of enjoy, or at least tolerate, this type of thing.

It's cool for colleges to ban it. But I see no justification for it being illegal.

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Dude is dedicated to his frat brothers. Chill AF drinking his Busch

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Don’t forget the vaping and admitting in the same chill manner that he thought his ID was fake after he started to hand it over the cops.

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Looks like the end of Weapons

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Was thinking that as well. Or "I Am Legend" where the zombies are huddled in the dark hall.

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I saw a little snippet of it yesterday and it's weird as hell. The cops were basically telling them this is the type of stuff that gets frats shut down and all they could say was basically "it doesn't matter cause house daddy."

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Why on earth would you talk to the cops in this situation, at that time?

That was weird af, but what line was crossed? Dudes safely standing in a room.

What’s the big deal?

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But I see no justification for it being illegal

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It’s the felony charge that is absurd.

There are laws in place for any actions that cause harm.

You get into more trouble making a pledge do push ups with a blindfold on than you would cold cocking some dude in a bar.

Frat stuff looks gay to me. A buddy wanted me to pledge to a fraternity with him back in school. I reminded him that I was straight, I had friends, and I didn’t have daddy issues.

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more proof that frats are gay

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Is it gay because their shirts are off?

I'm guessing they had to stand down there in blindfolds and actives would randomly walk in there, berate them, and pour nasty stuff on their heads and they wanted their shirts off. Not all were shirtless, so doubtful it was required.

This is nothing btw

Pledgeship fricking sucked but there was nothing "gay" about it, at least at the school I went to, and all fraternities hazed. It was simultaneously awful, fun, and amusing. Definitely made us tougher. Everyone comes in thinking they're cool because they were cool in high school and it humbles the shite out of you

When I was older, I just used the kids as designated drivers and do things like warm my car up in the morning in the winter. Sometimes clean my kitchen when I lived off campus or things like that, maybe run errands.

Then I'd invite them to parties, introduce them to people/girls, and was friendly and we were all friends with each other after and still are.

I'll add, if the fire alarm went off, which it did quite a few times at our fraternity house, we knew the cops and fire department would come and we'd plan accordingly. These kids are morons.

I was in a fraternity. I was hazed as a pledge, and I hazed pledges. That was a long time ago.

The scene in the Iowa fraternity hazing video appears to be what we called a "messy." Pledges would be blindfolded and have food items dumped on their heads. Sometimes the pledges might be told cooked spaghetti was worms, etc. Pretty tame stuff.

One of the significant problems with hazing, however, is that it almost never decreases in intensity year over year. "If I did it, they have to do it." As a hypothetical example, forcing pledges to drink a six pack in an evening one year, might turn into forcing pledges to drink a twelve pack in an evening the next year, and so on. No pledges leave until these cases of beer are empty becomes no pledges leave until these bottles of Everclear are empty.

Year over year increases turn situations with low risk into situations with unacceptable risk. The pledges assume this is standard practice performed annually with the risk being known and minimized. With normalcy bias and college-age wisdom, it doesn't take much for hazing to become dangerous. The heat of the water is slowly increased until a frog gets cooked.

Or you can have a situation in which all of the fraternity brothers get drunk and nobody is in control of the situation.

College age people are not the best judges of risk.

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