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re: Insomnia. What can I do about this? Will I die?
Posted on 10/5/23 at 2:54 pm to cyogi
Posted on 10/5/23 at 2:54 pm to cyogi
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In my other post (deleted), I basically said this. I've been dealing with it for months, and very early going through CBT-i and like it so far.
What all is involved with the CBT-I on your end? I’ve been considering taking some trainings since I already use CBT and TF-CBT. And not many of the therapists in my area have trained in it.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:03 pm to Giantkiller
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I ended my OP draft with an "also, in b4 AIDS, 350, you have the ghey, etc..." but deleted it because I wanted to just see how fast it took someone. You did not disappoint
There is absolutely 0% originality on the OT these days
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:05 pm to Giantkiller
Every once in awhile I will go through it.. It will last for 4 or 5 nights. I just can't fall asleep. I read until I feel like I can sleep, but then I end up just laying there with my eyes closed.. By the 4th day I am absolutely exhausted, not lacking energy exhausted, but its like I am almost in a dream. A few things you can try.
Spray lavender on your pillow. There are sleeping scents that you can get. And every time I don't think about it until I am 3 or 4 days into it. I am not sure if there is anything scientific to it, it might be mental, but whatever it is it seems to help.
I assume you clean your sheets on a regular basis, but if not.. there is nothing like sleeping on freshly cleaned sheets.
Change up your routine. Do something different in the evening. Something where you are out doing it, you come home a little later than you prefer to.. That change in routine can help, throw you off a little.
Is marijuana something you enjoy? That's a good direction to go in.
Spray lavender on your pillow. There are sleeping scents that you can get. And every time I don't think about it until I am 3 or 4 days into it. I am not sure if there is anything scientific to it, it might be mental, but whatever it is it seems to help.
I assume you clean your sheets on a regular basis, but if not.. there is nothing like sleeping on freshly cleaned sheets.
Change up your routine. Do something different in the evening. Something where you are out doing it, you come home a little later than you prefer to.. That change in routine can help, throw you off a little.
Is marijuana something you enjoy? That's a good direction to go in.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:07 pm to TejasHorn
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read a physical book for a while
Reading works well for me. I try to read something boring. Usually some self help book or something like that. One time my wife wanted me to read the 5 love languages book. It took me a couple weeks to get through it because I could barely get through a chapter without falling asleep. My mom occasionally sends me self help books that she has read and those usually put me to sleep as well. Not to mention that they usually contain useful information. The bible is another good option.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:32 pm to Giantkiller
I’ve run into this before and here are some things that have worked for me.
1) Don’t have a clock visible in your room. This way you won’t freak out about the time and not getting enough sleep in the middle of the night because you won’t know what time it is (and how much/little sleep you’ve gotten so far in the night).
2) Exercise. Running, lifting, etc. makes you drink a lot of water and wears you out which are both good things for getting better sleep.
3) Rub one out. Source: “The Contest” episode of Seinfeld.
4) This one has been mentioned a few times but if you can’t go back to sleep within 20 or so minutes, get out of bed and go to a different location in your house to do some monotonous task in low light. Just laying in your bed is one of the worst things you can do because your brain will associate your bed with a place you don’t sleep and you’ll have more difficulties going back to sleep (very real thing). Only go in your bed when you’re sleepy or just doze off in that different location in your house for rest of the night.
5) Understand that you will have some bad nights in terms of sleep and that this is a pretty common phenomenon (as seen by the number of responses so far). Tonight might not be your night, and that’s alright.
6) This one is the most important of the six but understandably difficult to execute. You need to prove that you can survive without a full night of sleep. There’s no doubt that sleep is important, but part of sleep anxiety comes from putting too much stake in the hours of sleep you’re getting, your ability to go back to sleep, etc. I know it sucks having to operate on inadequate sleep, but for me, proving that I was still effective after those bad nights of sleep of 2-4 hours removed a lot of that obsessing over getting enough sleep and helped eliminate a lot of that sleep anxiety. After a few times, I was able to start getting full nights of sleep again.
Hope these can help and best of luck baw.
1) Don’t have a clock visible in your room. This way you won’t freak out about the time and not getting enough sleep in the middle of the night because you won’t know what time it is (and how much/little sleep you’ve gotten so far in the night).
2) Exercise. Running, lifting, etc. makes you drink a lot of water and wears you out which are both good things for getting better sleep.
3) Rub one out. Source: “The Contest” episode of Seinfeld.
4) This one has been mentioned a few times but if you can’t go back to sleep within 20 or so minutes, get out of bed and go to a different location in your house to do some monotonous task in low light. Just laying in your bed is one of the worst things you can do because your brain will associate your bed with a place you don’t sleep and you’ll have more difficulties going back to sleep (very real thing). Only go in your bed when you’re sleepy or just doze off in that different location in your house for rest of the night.
5) Understand that you will have some bad nights in terms of sleep and that this is a pretty common phenomenon (as seen by the number of responses so far). Tonight might not be your night, and that’s alright.
6) This one is the most important of the six but understandably difficult to execute. You need to prove that you can survive without a full night of sleep. There’s no doubt that sleep is important, but part of sleep anxiety comes from putting too much stake in the hours of sleep you’re getting, your ability to go back to sleep, etc. I know it sucks having to operate on inadequate sleep, but for me, proving that I was still effective after those bad nights of sleep of 2-4 hours removed a lot of that obsessing over getting enough sleep and helped eliminate a lot of that sleep anxiety. After a few times, I was able to start getting full nights of sleep again.
Hope these can help and best of luck baw.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:42 pm to Giantkiller
I’ve dealt with insomnia several times over the years. Terrible to be exhausted and wide awake at the same time. A few things have helped, ultimately it always ends up going away.
Stay away from screens of any sort for a minimum of one hour before you go to bed. Phone, iPad, TV, etc. don’t even use the blue light mode, just stay away.
Stay away from alcohol as well. Especially as you age, it’s a massive barrier to sleep.
Others have said it, but it’s great advice. Exercise and hydration are highly important to get your sleep rhythm back in phase.
Sometimes I’ll take a CBD / Melatonin gummy to help. I like them for getting into a deep sleep, but can affect wake up the next day.
Stress management is another key to good sleep. Most times insomnia is a side effect of stress and anxiety. If there’s something you do that helps you wind down, definitely make sure you’re doing it, as long as it’s not alcohol.
Good luck, insomnia is a bitch, but eventually it’ll pass.
Stay away from screens of any sort for a minimum of one hour before you go to bed. Phone, iPad, TV, etc. don’t even use the blue light mode, just stay away.
Stay away from alcohol as well. Especially as you age, it’s a massive barrier to sleep.
Others have said it, but it’s great advice. Exercise and hydration are highly important to get your sleep rhythm back in phase.
Sometimes I’ll take a CBD / Melatonin gummy to help. I like them for getting into a deep sleep, but can affect wake up the next day.
Stress management is another key to good sleep. Most times insomnia is a side effect of stress and anxiety. If there’s something you do that helps you wind down, definitely make sure you’re doing it, as long as it’s not alcohol.
Good luck, insomnia is a bitch, but eventually it’ll pass.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:46 pm to Giantkiller
It seems like everyone I know is dealing with crippling anxiety now. Not sure what to make of it. Maybe the world really is falling apart.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:04 pm to Giantkiller
I take Seroquel at bedtime. Non habit forming prescription.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:11 pm to Giantkiller
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Will I die?
All I can say for certain is that you will absolutely die.
At some point.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:21 pm to BluegrassBelle
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What all is involved with the CBT-I on your end? I’ve been considering taking some trainings since I already use CBT and TF-CBT. And not many of the therapists in my area have trained in it.
I'm using an app on my phone. I like it so far, and though very early, I feel more relaxed about sleeping, and I actually slept okay last night. A big stress event hit me about 8 months ago, but I'm over that, but the sleep issue remains. I tried ACT-i using a book, and it has some good things in it, but I need more than a book.
I've come to learn a bit about it over the months... what can happen with chronic insomnia is that you get in a bad cycle of not sleeping well, which raises cortisol, which raises anxiety, which causes you not to sleep well, and it snowballs. Nasty cycle.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:23 pm to Giantkiller
Sounds like you need a nap.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:26 pm to Giantkiller
Go see a doctor
Everyone in my immediate family has trouble sleeping except for me and they all take Trazadone. None of them have side effects from it (not even drowsiness the next morning) and swear by it. I'm not sure my sister could sleep without one.

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I'm worried about prescription sleep aids because you always hear about these nightmare scenarios, but honestly at this point I feel like the pros would outweigh any cons. I know I may wake up in the back yard at 4am cutting the grass or something but if it gets me 8 hours of sleep, I'm game..
Everyone in my immediate family has trouble sleeping except for me and they all take Trazadone. None of them have side effects from it (not even drowsiness the next morning) and swear by it. I'm not sure my sister could sleep without one.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:47 pm to bkhrph
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You’d get CPAP only if you have sleep apnea.

Posted on 10/5/23 at 5:56 pm to Giantkiller
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I lie there thinking about everything imaginable
This is the problem of why you can’t go back to sleep. You have to figure a way to shut your brain off
Posted on 10/5/23 at 6:01 pm to Giantkiller
My sister's sleep was like yours. She said she never got more than a little bit of sleep. She now is thankful for Ambien. Ambien works like a charm, but be careful it is a hypnotic so it can trigger sleep walking and such.
I have the bane of restless legs on and off. Drives me nuts as I just about drift off, and tension builds up and bang my leg jumps. A very small 2.5 mg of Ambien cures that.
I usually read before sleep. If I take Ambien, I get to re-read the last 50 pages like I never saw them before.
I have the bane of restless legs on and off. Drives me nuts as I just about drift off, and tension builds up and bang my leg jumps. A very small 2.5 mg of Ambien cures that.
I usually read before sleep. If I take Ambien, I get to re-read the last 50 pages like I never saw them before.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 6:07 pm to stout
Try 400 mg Magnesium Citrate a few hours before you want to sleep.
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