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re: I’m having trouble justifying my stance against the death penalty…
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:13 am to meansonny
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:13 am to meansonny
quote:Would aggressive punishment of actions prevent ALL evil acts?
You think justice deters evil decision-making.
Of course not.
Would it deter some?
Absolutely.
This pervasive idea of “harsh punishment doesn’t deter crime and we will still have crime, therefore we should be softer on crime and criminals” is such a fallacious argument.
Criminal actions should result in harsh penalties and situations.
Despite how people try to sell prison as this horrible place, it isn’t and it should be substantially worse.
There should be heavily enforced rules, labor, restrictions on interactions between prisoners, etc.
We have swung so far in the opposite direction with punishment that we have people on the street with rap sheets a mile long.
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 11:15 am
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Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:20 am to Tigerlaff
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The federal government can put you to death for treason, espionage, and large scale drug trafficking. But we can't kill this guy? You are the irrational one here, not human nature.
You're conflating an entirely rational take on the government's inability to fairly administer execution with this one specific case, and you're calling him irrational.
That's peak small brain thinking.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:21 am to poncho villa
quote:The conundrum is if you get it wrong 1 time, it’s a tragedy beyond comprehension.
if you kill someone on purpose you should die. Shouldn't be that difficult of a conundrum.
That said, surely there are a few cases a year where there is literally 0 chance you’re getting it wrong.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:21 am to wadewilson
3-4 per year.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:23 am to TroyTider
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3-4 per year.
I guess that's no big deal when we start a bullshite war every generation and kill a couple million people.
Human lives don't really matter that much, I guess.
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 11:24 am
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:23 am to meansonny
quote:
Thats what prison does.
It removes them from the rest of us.
Not cheaply.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:23 am to RollTide1987
All executions should be for public viewing. It would send a message to criminals. FAFO
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:24 am to ChestRockwell
Why not get biblical with it and revisit the sins of the father school of thought.
Don't just execute murderers. Execute their children too. That'll REALLY send a message.
Don't just execute murderers. Execute their children too. That'll REALLY send a message.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:25 am to RollTide1987
I have always opposed the death penalty. However, I cannot remember ever losing sleep over anyone who received it.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:28 am to wadewilson
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A lot of people have been exonerated while on death row.
What's your opinion on this guy's guilt or innocence? And from there, what should his sentence be, if any? What would you say to that girl's parents?
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:29 am to lsusa
quote:
I believe there are cases where the death penalty is not only “justified”, but necessary.
But I also am skeptical of government prosecutors, pseudoscience and the unevenness in how it’s applied.
This thread is somewhat of an IQ test
People are thinking that discussing a general policy is specifically talking about this case
And some of those idiots seem to think he'll be released if he isn't killed
And some of THOSE idiots seem to think he's black
This thread is a fricking trip
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:30 am to Scruffy
quote:
quote:
You think justice deters evil decision-making.
Would aggressive punishment of actions prevent ALL evil acts?
Of course not.
Would it deter some?
Absolutely.
Agree to disagree.
Criminals do not think of consequences. Especially in the moment.
quote:
“harsh punishment doesn’t deter crime
I am going to be blunt.
If you are pro death penalty and your best argument is that punishment deters crime, then you are an idiot.
It is literally the weakest argument.
quote:
We have swung so far in the opposite direction with punishment that we have people on the street with rap sheets a mile long.
We probably have a ton of agreement with this part of a different debate.
I believe in broken windows policing.
I believe the best way to reduce crime is to reduce criminals in genpop.
The notion that we are arresting too many people focuses completely on the end result and not the root cause.
It is as retarded as saying the death penalty deters criminal behavior.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:30 am to RollTide1987
Men like this are why we should still have public hangings.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:30 am to RollTide1987
The death penalty needs to be kept if only as something on the table to get a plea deal.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:31 am to wadewilson
Did you read the rest of the post? You took one paragraph at the very end to suggest that was the entire argument. The point is that our own founders recognized the need for societal vengeance for crimes less heinous than this one like treason but that he thinks we need to get to a place where even something like this can go without capital punishment. It's just not possible long term.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:32 am to Tigerlaff
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The federal government can put you to death for treason, espionage, and large scale drug trafficking.
What?
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:34 am to RollTide1987
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RollTide1987
You can be anti death penalty and pro torture that makes these monsters beg for death.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:34 am to RollTide1987
I'm a big proponent of an "eye for an eye" approach to capital punishment...
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 11:35 am
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:34 am to RollTide1987
This is true but if you look at the history of Singapore they put a lot of effort into making the place nice in the first place. It used to be just as shitty as any Asian countries with very trashy behavior rampant. They said no, and have harsh penalties for any nonsense. It is pretty intriguing.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 11:35 am to RollTide1987
Why is death worse than life in prison as a mistake?
In both cases a person's life has been radically altered and their freedom taken from them.
Arguing that a particular punishment shouldn't exist because mistakes happen falls over into the argument that no punishments should exist because mistakes happen.
It's true but it's the price you have to pay to have any kind of justice system.
In both cases a person's life has been radically altered and their freedom taken from them.
Arguing that a particular punishment shouldn't exist because mistakes happen falls over into the argument that no punishments should exist because mistakes happen.
It's true but it's the price you have to pay to have any kind of justice system.
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