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re: I’m having trouble justifying my stance against the death penalty…
Posted on 4/19/26 at 1:35 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 4/19/26 at 1:35 pm to RollTide1987
The death penalty is a sometime moral answer to crimes. Its application should be fairly rare, but it was never considered a moral wrong by the Catholic Church until Francis unilaterally changed the church’s stance. Something that had never happened in the history of the church.
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Posted on 4/19/26 at 1:49 pm to RollTide1987
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I have become more and more against the death penalty
Why? There are two reasons where someone should be covered by the law if it involves killing someone.
- Self Protection
- If they assist someone who has some type of sickness that will only get worse and cause them to suffer. In this case, they should then be able to get some type of legal document that specifically says something like "On this date, ________ gave ________ permission to end their life by way of (the only way it would be legal is if that person administers the drug that is prescribed specifically for this. It would pretty much allow whoever that person wants, to give them the pill whenever they decide they no longer want to suffer).
Any other reason someone purposely kills someone else, their life should be taken. And if its no question whatsoever, it should be done within 5 years (or a certain time that doesn't allow them to sit in jail for 30 years before they do it).
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:07 pm to wadewilson
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government-ordered murder.
If you don't trust your government with a fricking covid vaccine, you shouldn't trust them to know that they're executing the right person.
A death penalty conviction is done by a guilty conviction from a cast of jurors, not the "government".
If anything its the "government" that reduces the chance of execution through liberal soft judges and the hideous decades' long of dragging out an actual execution through attorneys, etc.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:20 pm to TygerTyger
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Some people need to be killed for the crimes they commit. Rehabilitation is a waste of time and money.
This is retarded. Honestly.
This post implies that you have the death penalty and parole. And nothing in between. And it creates a false argument between the two.
It is funny when people straw man themselves.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:21 pm to Archives
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A death penalty conviction is done by a guilty conviction from a cast of jurors, not the "government".
How do you think covid convictions happen?
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:22 pm to RollTide1987
So your convictions changedbased on who is involved right?
What a pussy . …stand for nothing.
What a pussy . …stand for nothing.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:30 pm to RollTide1987
You harm a child, you should be put down. This shouldn't be complicated. This dude is a monster and there's no reason to keep him alive
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:38 pm to OleVaught14
Well, to be fair, I don’t think that the supporters of the death penalty are supportive of the long and complicated appeals process that makes the death penalty so expensive.
In fact, I think pretty much everybody dislikes that system, and thinks that we should either abolish the death penalty or we should execute people within 2 years or so after conviction. However, SCOTUS has created this system by allowing the death penalty, but requiring the complicated system that takes forever.
In fact, I think pretty much everybody dislikes that system, and thinks that we should either abolish the death penalty or we should execute people within 2 years or so after conviction. However, SCOTUS has created this system by allowing the death penalty, but requiring the complicated system that takes forever.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:50 pm to RollTide1987
I can change your mind in one minute. If you watch five minutes or more, you will be wanting death by woodchipper.
Posted on 4/20/26 at 12:42 pm to RollTide1987
Correct. They never claimed to be a paradise of freedom or anything. They just wanted to make their country safer and nicer than the other countries around them. (And it worked)
Posted on 4/20/26 at 8:55 pm to OleVaught14
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(2) The cost of carrying out the death penalty is substantially more expensive than sentencing a person to life in prison.
Not if you use the .22 as mentioned before.
Posted on 4/20/26 at 9:07 pm to RollTide1987
The only theoretical reason to be against the death penalty is due to our system where innocent people may be convicted. (Not saying that’s factually legit, but it’s in theory.)
And it shouldn’t be torturous, although I personally desire that punishment in cases such as this.
And it shouldn’t be torturous, although I personally desire that punishment in cases such as this.
Posted on 4/20/26 at 9:23 pm to OKBoomerSooner
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Deterrence is a joke. None of these people think ahead far enough to be scared of consequences for their actions.
Only because we have caved so far to the libs and sterilized the death penalty. It used to absolutely be a deterrent. Bringing the guilty man to the town square and subjecting him to a public hanging for all to see was absolutely a deterrent.
Now we have to let someone live comfortably on death row and go through 20 appeals before we humanly make sure they don’t feel any pain and are quietly executed behind closed doors.
Posted on 4/20/26 at 9:29 pm to OKBoomerSooner
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Because if you later realize you got it wrong, you can at least fix it going forward. No, they won't get their time in prison back, but at least the time they have left is rightfully restored to them.
Slippery slope. Who knows, in 25 years maybe the libs will convince us all life in prison is the new death penalty and the max penalty for any crime should only be a % of one’s remaining life expectancy to make sure they don’t die in prison. Because there’s a chance they could’ve been wrong you know.
Posted on 4/20/26 at 9:39 pm to wadewilson
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A lot of people have been exonerated while on death row. It stands to reason that innocent people have been executed, making every taxpayer culpable in government-ordered murder.
It’s not 1980 anymore.
We have more than enough technology right now to know 100% someone deserves the death penalty. Cameras, DNA evidence, cell phone locations….its a lot easier to prove without a doubt now.
You don’t execute someone b/c she said he did it and that’s it. That’s the kind of dumb shite that would happen 40+ years ago.
Bringing up situations like that to say we shouldn’t execute people is silly. When the proof is beyond a reasonable doubt, in today’s technological world, kill the piece of shite, and do it quickly and cheap.
Posted on 4/20/26 at 9:53 pm to RollTide1987
There's a lot of shite that haunts me about this case but the one that breaks my heart the most is her question.
"Are you a kidnapper?"
I don't know how to articulate how that question makes me feel. I imagine the torrent of mixed feelings pouring out of that little girl. Seven years old, all the trust and naivete in the world, brought to bear in that one little poignant question.
I can feel her innocence just being sapped away.
It's as if he purposefully gave her time to process the fact that something really bad was about to happen to her. I almost hate that more than the physical abuse that he actually inflicted.
I firmly support the death penalty here because this guy is a monster, and monsters like this can't get to Hell fast enough.
"Are you a kidnapper?"
I don't know how to articulate how that question makes me feel. I imagine the torrent of mixed feelings pouring out of that little girl. Seven years old, all the trust and naivete in the world, brought to bear in that one little poignant question.
I can feel her innocence just being sapped away.
It's as if he purposefully gave her time to process the fact that something really bad was about to happen to her. I almost hate that more than the physical abuse that he actually inflicted.
I firmly support the death penalty here because this guy is a monster, and monsters like this can't get to Hell fast enough.
Posted on 4/20/26 at 10:17 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:That exact thing happened in Georgia in 2011.
You don’t execute someone b/c she said he did it and that’s it. That’s the kind of dumb shite that would happen 40+ years ago.
Troy Davis was convicted of the 1989 murder of a police officer, Mark MacPhail. There was no physical evidence (no DNA or murder weapon), and the case was built entirely on eyewitness testimony.
Before his execution, seven of the nine key witnesses who testified against Davis recanted their stories. Many alleged that they had been coerced or intimidated by police into identifying Davis. Another man who was present at the scene was later implicated by several people as the actual shooter, though he was never charged. Despite a massive international outcry, Davis was executed anyway.
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 12:52 am to meansonny
5 stated goals of criminal dispositions:
Deterrence
Punishing in a manner to make people avoid criminal behavior.
Retribution
Vengeance. Not sugar coated.
Restitution
Paying victims back for the heir loss. Rarely, if ever truly happens, but politicians like to talk about it.
Incapacitation
Rendering the perpetrator incapable of harming others - temporarily by incarceration or permanently damaging them by maiming or executing them.
Rehabilitation
Hoping miscreants will become good people through training and counseling. This has had mixed results but is plan A for most courts in the modern area - whether or not it works.
Even worse is our bail reform movement combined with the failure to prosecute serious crimes.
We are encouraging crime through such lapses.
The truth is that our societal failures have produced a large number of offenders who will just not ever quit offending. If we value innocent life, we need to consider taking some guilty ones.
Deterrence
Punishing in a manner to make people avoid criminal behavior.
Retribution
Vengeance. Not sugar coated.
Restitution
Paying victims back for the heir loss. Rarely, if ever truly happens, but politicians like to talk about it.
Incapacitation
Rendering the perpetrator incapable of harming others - temporarily by incarceration or permanently damaging them by maiming or executing them.
Rehabilitation
Hoping miscreants will become good people through training and counseling. This has had mixed results but is plan A for most courts in the modern area - whether or not it works.
Even worse is our bail reform movement combined with the failure to prosecute serious crimes.
We are encouraging crime through such lapses.
The truth is that our societal failures have produced a large number of offenders who will just not ever quit offending. If we value innocent life, we need to consider taking some guilty ones.
Posted on 4/21/26 at 1:09 am to Onyx Aggie
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I have no issue with the death penalty in theory. My problem is I don't trust the government to properly implement it.
This
Posted on 4/21/26 at 4:47 am to Rabby
Great post, Rabby! 
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