re: I’m having trouble justifying my stance against the death penalty…

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What’s there to explain, if you think the guy who raped and murdered a little girl shouldn’t be put to death, then your soft on crime stance is why people continue to commit crimes.

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Sorry but you've obviously not spent any time thinking about how criminals think and it shows.

Deterrence is a joke. None of these people think ahead far enough to be scared of consequences for their actions. Execution works because it keeps the criminal out of society, not because it sends a message to anyone else. And imprisonment for life does the exact same thing.

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No different than the judges who continually release repeat offenders until they rape and murder some one.

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Wrong, this is a completely different problem. It is a fair criticism of the system, but it has nothing to do with the death penalty.

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You think the death penalty is a deterrent to such behavior?


There is zero recidivism after the death penalty is carried out.

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I can say the same about life in prison

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Joseph Jenkins & Charles Walker Say Hi

How big is the Assata Shakur poster on your ceiling?

Charles Victor Thompson LOLs at your life sentence incarceration.

Let me guess, you're going to parse that they didn't "reoffend" while on the run?

I'm not reading that story but if that were my little girl they would have to put me in jail to keep from cutting that guy's balls off and making him choke on them.

Yes this is horrific and he deserves to die.

But I wonder: how many death row inmates have been exonerated? It's for this reason alone I have mixed feelings about it.

It really needs to be a slam dunk for the death penalty. This one should be a slam dunk.

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The cost is largely because anti-death penalty people do whatever they can to delay the final judgment

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It isn't anti-deathe penalty "people".

It is lawyers.
If one punishment is the death sentence, lawyers are trying to do their job and limit punishments to life in prison.

If life in prison is the top penalty, then lawyers will try to do their job and reduce it further.

It isnt 'anti-death penalty people". It is people going to work every day and doing their job. That won't change.

this guy changed his pleading guilty so there is no question or doubt here. if there is zero doubt, the death penalty should be absolute and swift.

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I’m having trouble justifying my stance against the death penalty…

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There are billions of humans on this planet. Murderers, rapists, and pedophiles do not belong in society. I honestly think the death penalty is too humane for some of these animals.

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I think it's a problem when the counterargument is pure bloodlust and not rooted in any rational basis for why execution, specifically, is needed over imprisonment until they die.

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The bloodlust is exactly the rational basis for the death penalty. When the state suffers monsters like this to go on living it just radicalizes normies. The whole point of the state is to take retributive violence out of the hands of private individuals/families/clans so that you can have a civil society without blood feuds and war lords.

Your position seems to imply that the real solution is to remove or ignore the desire for just vengeance in the heart of man so that we can live in a nice pragmatic little state that doesn't make lethal mistakes. My position is that when someone rapes and kills a 7 year old and is recorded doing it, human nature and even cosmic order itself demands that the ultimate price be paid. And when our institutions routinely fail to ensure that price gets paid, they invite the very chaos they were designed to prevent. They invite internet threads full of college educated middle class normies demanding horrific torture at the hands of the state when the state should have put a bullet in his head immediately after trial.

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Before he covered the camera inside the truck, Horner made a chilling statement: “You’re really pretty. You know that?”

Jurors later heard Horner tell Athena to take her shirt off and her say "no" while asking for her mom. The audio from the attack continued for more than an hour and included crying, screaming and banging.

Jurors were visibly shaken and sobbing. For at least part of the recording, Horner was seen with his head down.

The video evidence was not the only testimony presented Thursday. Athena’s father, Jacob Strand, also took the stand.

Strand testified about how his daughter's murder affected his life, saying he turned to alcohol and that it ruined his marriage. He said, as a man and as her father, he feels like he should have been there to protect his child.

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The federal government can put you to death for treason, espionage, and large scale drug trafficking. But we can't kill this guy? You are the irrational one here, not human nature.

I'm against the government putting people to death. There should be an option that allows the family to do it, if that's what they really want.