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re: How real is a water scarcity threat, re: Building Data Centers?
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:53 am to fightin tigers
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:53 am to fightin tigers
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There are no requirements for cooling water to be pure. There are no standards for cooling water.
I.e. you do not have to refine/treat river water to be cooling water.
River water is chock full of shite that you do not want circulating through equipment. Nobody is going to use raw river water for anything except, maybe, the cold side of single large centralized heat exchangers. Even that has to be at minimum strained and preferably filtered to avoid destroying the pumps, erroding all the lines and exchangers, etc.
Raw water sucks as coolant.
The BEST way to do this, is a closed loop system with submersed radiators in the river flow stream. Wastes no water and consumes no energy on the cold side because the flow is natural, and it's practically an infinite heat sink. Nobody wants to do that though, because you have to build close enough to the river, the exchangers have to go far out in the river, and it takes work to prevent them from silting in.
This is where full unbridaled capitalism loses me. Rape and pilliage of natural resources in the name of reduced capital costs on a gazillion dollar project that will return a gazillion dollars per year is stupid and if humans weren't inherintly destructive creatures, we'd spend a little extra and do the non-destructive thing.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:00 am to DarthRebel
4 million square feet is 91.827 acres not 2,250. Click bait pure and simple.
This post was edited on 3/30/26 at 10:03 am
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:04 am to Oates Mustache
Your thread made me thirsty...
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:07 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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. Rape and pilliage of natural resources
Ya, except that's not actually happening.
Makes for great headlines though for the gullible.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:09 am to Oates Mustache
Y’all don’t know how they use water.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:10 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
quote:And this recycling requires additional energy.
Educate yourself before posting.
Which in a great many places are generated on location....and often in a manner which circumvent the environmental regulations which a tradition energy producer faces.
IE: there is no simple fix; to such rob Peter to pay Paul equations
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:15 am to castorinho
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you have some losses in the loop and have to replenish.
Right, but most of these places list their water use as maximum flow through rates. What it would take to totally drain and refill the system every day. That's not reality. Reality is their real usage numbers are much lower. But that's not what folks latch onto.
This post was edited on 3/30/26 at 10:18 am
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:17 am to Oates Mustache
I asked ChatGPT if we will ever run out of drinking water. This is the response.
And the less dramatic thing it is referring to is the fact water goes through a cycle.
It provided me with an image that shows the cycle of water evaporates from oceans, rivers, bodies of water, condensation, precipitation... shite you learn in 8th grade science class.
And it states that the idea water will run or be scarce is a myth. In my chats where it titles each individual chat it named this one water availability myth.
I remember learning about this shite in school. Do they not teach this anymore? The availability of water is why there is life on earth, why life has survived on earth and will continue to survive on earth for a very long time.
Take the Mississippi River for example. It could be near a drought and when all of the ice melts up north it gets into rivers, etc.. It then makes its way down and the Mississippi river and other bodies of water here will rise, even if its just a little bit. That's just one example of water. Politicians make shite up when they try to pass bills so they can get people to support it. They want people to call their representatives and ask them to vote for whatever.
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Short answer: no, Earth isn’t going to “run out” of water. This isn’t some apocalyptic “last bottle of Dasani on Earth” situation.
Long answer, the one people don’t like because it’s less dramatic and more inconvenient:
And the less dramatic thing it is referring to is the fact water goes through a cycle.
It provided me with an image that shows the cycle of water evaporates from oceans, rivers, bodies of water, condensation, precipitation... shite you learn in 8th grade science class.
And it states that the idea water will run or be scarce is a myth. In my chats where it titles each individual chat it named this one water availability myth.
I remember learning about this shite in school. Do they not teach this anymore? The availability of water is why there is life on earth, why life has survived on earth and will continue to survive on earth for a very long time.
Take the Mississippi River for example. It could be near a drought and when all of the ice melts up north it gets into rivers, etc.. It then makes its way down and the Mississippi river and other bodies of water here will rise, even if its just a little bit. That's just one example of water. Politicians make shite up when they try to pass bills so they can get people to support it. They want people to call their representatives and ask them to vote for whatever.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:24 am to lsufan1971
Meta bought more land and currently have about 3700 acres. The 27 billion number isn’t right either been hearing it’s going to be more like 80 billion.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:28 am to OweO
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I asked ChatGPT if we will ever run out of drinking water
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:28 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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It's not a fact. Educate yourself before posting. The older data centers use a lot of water. The newer ones don't use much water at all. Microsoft is building the world's "first AI super factory" in Atlanta and it uses other liquids for cooling.
Ultimately, it’s all moving so fast that it’s hard for anyone to keep up with and rarely does that coincide with billionaires making decisions that are good for you and I
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:29 am to Centinel
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Ya, except that's not actually happening.
Makes for great headlines though for the gullible.
Gullible? Everyone in this forum is pretty conservative and just wants research and prevention to ensure the aquifer doesn't collapse. Surely, you've read about historic disaster like the St. Francis Dam that we wouldn't want to repeat.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:31 am to Oates Mustache
When AI eliminates all you humans, water will not be as necessary as it is now.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:32 am to CatfishJohn
Re ocean water...what do you do with the salts and dead plants and animals you remove to make that as 'pure' as fresh water? And the energy it takes for desalinization to happen has to come from somewhere.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:34 am to Oates Mustache
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This is the new liberal fight,
Why do you think this is a "liberal" thing?
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:34 am to Centinel
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Ya, except that's not actually happening.
*sigh*
CAI - Data Center Water Use and Regulations
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Water has become the second-largest constraint on new data center development, surpassed only by power availability. A single hyperscale campus can now evaporate more water daily than a town of 10,000 people.
We can debate the definition of rape, but to treat this as a non-issue is disingenuous.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:34 am to Lawyered
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What about during droughts and things… golf courses or people are warned to not water their grass .. will data centers that use way more water than that be placed under the same restrictions ?
Nope. It’s never that way and it’s hilarious.
They’ll tell people they can’t water their lawns to conserve water but a single industrial facility that uses more water in a day than a neighborhood does in a month doesn’t even get asked if they can consider any conservation strategies.
This post was edited on 3/30/26 at 10:35 am
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:34 am to NoSaint
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It's not a fact. Educate yourself before posting. The older data centers use a lot of water. The newer ones don't use much water at all. Microsoft is building the world's "first AI super factory" in Atlanta and it uses other liquids for cooling.
Ultimately, it’s all moving so fast that it’s hard for anyone to keep up with and rarely does that coincide with billionaires making decisions that are good for you and I
Yup, industry makes the decision that maximizes shareholder value unless their is a reason not to... This can often result in "irrational" or "harmful" long term decisions in favor of short term savings. Local government and potential future liability can serve as the only checks on this process by ensuring that the long term needs are accounted for and weighed at the outset of a project.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:35 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
The concept removes the need for water-intensive cooling systems if Elon says he will not need water for cooling, I'm going to go with what he says.
Data Center Magazine - Musk Outlines Vision
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Under the proposal, AI satellites would operate as self-contained data centers in orbit, powered almost entirely by solar energy. The concept removes the need for water-intensive cooling systems and grid connections that constrain terrestrial facilities, while also sidestepping land availability and permitting challenges.
Data Center Magazine - Musk Outlines Vision
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:38 am to iwyLSUiwy
So you don't know how to use it right? Or did you hear someone else say some shite about it and that's what you based your opinion on?
Is what I said not accurate?
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