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re: How long has defacto segregation in schools been going on?

Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:00 pm to
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:00 pm to
The biggest factor in school decision is not race, but % of free lunches of the students.
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
95091 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:02 pm to
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most of the middle class and up pulled their kids out and moved to the burbs or put them in private school.



So why did they pull them out of school. Was it because they were black? I think this is sort of what the OP was indirectly asking.
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:03 pm to
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volod


You seem to need racism like Oweo needs his chair. It is kind of odd because most blacks that weren't raised around you don't like you.

You're a decent guy but they don't know that without knowing you. They just see you as Tom.

Also, you never return to your threads and answer any questions. I would ask why but there will be no answer so I'll let it be.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:04 pm to
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So why did they pull them out of school. Was it because they were black? I think this is sort of what the OP was indirectly asking.

I'm sure that had something to do with it but many parents from upper middle class neighborhoods didn't want their kids going to school with other kids from the ghetto or trailer park.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:04 pm to
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
95091 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:06 pm to
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their kids going to school with other kids from the ghetto or trailer park


Indeed. I think more people are classist these days than they are racist.

I’ll admit I don’t want my kids hanging out or being around ratchet, useless pieces of shite. Regardless of color.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
45302 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:06 pm to
"Self segregation" is occuring within the public school system. The irony, race is not a major factor...socio-economic class and behavior are. In short, familes that don't want their child in a class with pre-Angola detainees will set their child up with a "Honors" courseload. These families doing this span the racial spectrum. Basically, they don't want their child in a room full of hillbillies, hood rats, or hey bras.
To them, their child making a "C or a D" and learning is more important than their child not being challenged fully in an "on level" class. Those "on level" classes, as a result, have become laden with special education students. Some of the SPED students are headcases. They pretty much ruin the academic progress of everybody in the class. The end result:
"self-segregation."

Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11841 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:09 pm to
The myth is schools are segregated by color. Fact is it is segregated by poor vs everyone else. Poor people don’t give a crap about school. You can generally view a schools lack of success in comparison to percentage with free/reduced lunch.

Parents will do anything for their kids. Just look at recent college scandal. If parents have to they will move to suburbs or send kids to private school to get away from trashy people. Whether black white or tan.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:10 pm to
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Some of the SPED students are headcases.




Some?
Most.
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
67239 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:11 pm to
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The biggest factor in school decision is not race, but % of free lunches of the students.


They are almost always correlated....Via looking at free lunch I can pretty much tell you the ethnic breakdown of the school in cy fair
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 10:14 pm
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11841 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:13 pm to
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Which is what destroyed BR public schools. They decided to send kids across town to balance out the quality of the schools and most of the middle class and up pulled their kids out and moved to the burbs or put them in private school.


Yep. And when schools go, the city/community goes. No telling where BR could be if that never happened.
Posted by Mr Clean
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:13 pm to
Since Ridgedale Academy shut down
Posted by AlonsoWDC
Memphis, where it ain't Ten-a-Key
Member since Aug 2014
9387 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:14 pm to
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Why do black people want to be around white peoples so much?


That doesn't make any sense.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
118270 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:15 pm to
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Parents will do anything for their kids. Just look at recent college scandal. If parents have to they will move to suburbs or send kids to private school to get away from trashy people. Whether black white or tan.




AND THEY SHOULD BE PROUD OF THEMSELVES FOR DOING IT!

No child deserves to be forcibly subjected to failure. Losers attract losers. Winners don’t have any reason or desire to be around losers. It does nothing to help them better themselves.

LET LOSERS MAKE EXCUSES FOR THEMSELVES. BE PROUD OF WANTING A BETTER LIFE FOR YOURSELF.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11841 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:16 pm to
Preach
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
67239 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:17 pm to
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Yep. And when schools go, the city/community goes. No telling where BR could be if that never happened.


Got to be one of the worst things to ever happen to BR.

I love how we have neighborhood schools in Texas.
This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 6:45 am
Posted by TheChosenOne
Member since Dec 2005
18899 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:19 pm to
Is this about how they integrated schools, but still segregated the black kids by creating gifted and talented classes for the whiteys?
Posted by GeauxtigersMs36
The coast
Member since Jan 2018
13460 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:23 pm to
I was given a choice and picked public school. Didn’t care for private school entitled kids. I had hoped from mandeville at the end of my freshman year. Ratio I moved to was 80-20 black. It taught me more about the real world. My daughter will go to private school. Things have changed in the last 19 years.
Posted by Tulane_STEM_ALUM
Member since Apr 2019
153 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:25 pm to
I think you're a reasonable guy. I give you credit being a liberal type guy on a predominantly conservative board.

To answer your question....

I think there's an effort at desegregation overall.
Busing in kids from far away to increase diversity. Allowing out of district kids etc.

I think it hurts all the kids.
Kids are better off going to neighborhood schools.
Posted by Chuck Barris
Member since Apr 2013
3383 posts
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:25 pm to
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Also, most schools are zoned for their neighborhood. A lot of black folks live in all black neighborhoods. 

So how is that defacto segregation?

"De facto" segregation is segregation that happens due to personal choices or social conditions, as opposed to "de jure" segregation, which is enforced by law. The example of neighborhoods and schools you just gave is pretty much the textbook example of de facto segregation commonly used to explain the concept.
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 10:26 pm
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