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re: How do you feel about Ben Affleck saying that the cure to addiction is only suffering?
Posted on 8/4/26 at 7:50 pm to High C
Posted on 8/4/26 at 7:50 pm to High C
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Too much of a blanket statement, I think. You can overcome some addictions without much or any suffering. On the other hand, there are many addictions that are impossible to overcome without suffering physically and mentally. Often severe suffering.
I agree with the first half: a person doesn't need to suffer. Overcoming an addiction is specifically an act of will-- a decision to promote another facet of life or relationship over the source of addiction. In its simplest form, that is it.
To be fair, the reality of many or most is that suffering is required to generate momentum to decide to change. But I think it's easy to imagine other circumstances that accomplish the same end. Think of an addict who becomes a parent and feels a strong impulse of love towards the child... so much so that they decide to clean up or otherwise put their past behind them. In this case, the positive emotion of love is the source of momentum-- not suffering. For others, it might be an epiphany of sorts as to who they might become and that vision simply becomes more important than the pleasure or emotional pull of the addiction.
In the absence of a positive love-oriented force, which many don't find due to selfishness (generally speaking) suffering until the pain becomes unbearable and forces change is simply most likely.
Posted on 8/4/26 at 7:53 pm to epbart
The cure for addiction is Ibogaine.
That’s why Big pharma is fighting against it so hard. It’s legitimately a miracle cure.
That’s why Big pharma is fighting against it so hard. It’s legitimately a miracle cure.
Posted on 8/4/26 at 8:46 pm to Chad504boy
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but then they are addicted to Jesus
Just wish everyone was.
Posted on 8/4/26 at 8:48 pm to FlyingTigerBo
I mean he’s right in many respects. Nobody quits when everything is going great, that’s just not how it works.
Posted on 8/4/26 at 8:55 pm to FlyingTigerBo
Life is suffering. If people would learn to embrace the suck there would be far less addiction.
Posted on 8/4/26 at 9:09 pm to FlyingTigerBo
Best way to learn to not bump your head is to bump your head.
Pain & suffering is a great teacher.
Pain & suffering is a great teacher.
Posted on 8/4/26 at 9:40 pm to epbart
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To be fair, the reality of many or most is that suffering is required to generate momentum to decide to change. But I think it's easy to imagine other circumstances that accomplish the same end. Think of an addict who becomes a parent and feels a strong impulse of love towards the child... so much so that they decide to clean up or otherwise put their past behind them. In this case, the positive emotion of love is the source of momentum-- not suffering. For others, it might be an epiphany of sorts as to who they might become and that vision simply becomes more important than the pleasure or emotional pull of the addiction.
Buddhism is what helped me to sobriety, and the main tenant of Buddhism is that everybody is suffering. Overcoming that suffering is the goal.
Suffering takes on many forms, and not all of it looks like misery or rock bottom.
A parent deciding to be sober for their kids is still suffering when they make that decision to end their suffering. They are suffering with the person they are and the way they live their life. To make the decision to change your ways is proof that you have suffering that you need to overcome.
If you weren't suffering and were happy with yourself, you wouldn't feel the need to change your ways.
Posted on 8/4/26 at 10:11 pm to FlyingTigerBo
Dean Martin said it a lot better years ago:
“I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day.”
“I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day.”
Posted on 8/5/26 at 7:31 pm to Chad504boy
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that the cure to addiction is
Jesus.
but then they are addicted to Jesus
II can't think of anything wrong with an addiction to Jesus. From what I understand, all the side effects are purported to be beneficial. (Particularly the one that includes eternal life after death.)
Posted on 8/5/26 at 8:57 pm to RummelTiger
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I would never look to Ben Affleck for life advice, so I don't really have any feelings about his feelings
I’m with you on the first part of your statement but in this case I do agree with him.
My father was a meth addict. I found out when I was 14 and spent the next 10 years trying to help him. Actually got him into rehab once but it didn’t do any good. It took him losing his marriage, his career, all his friends, all his family including me, his home, and ultimately his freedom. He ended up dating some crack head that convinced him to start cooking the shite in his kitchen. She got popped on another offense and gave up my Dad. He spent 5 years in prison.
That was his rock bottom and what it took to finally beat it. He 74 now and has been clean for 22 years.
Posted on 8/5/26 at 9:27 pm to FlyingTigerBo
He’s talking about rock bottom to me.
If you drink and there are no consequences why stop? It takes losing friends, job, family, marriage. Then finally health for some. Wait until health fails it may be too late anyway.
Took care of an old dude in my first job nursing. Probably 60-65 then. Power drinker. Had a devoted German (I think) wife. She put pictures in his room. Each pic was a bar in Europe. German bars and Irish bars and pints and steins.
He died one weekend at the hospital when I was off. Bet he had stories to tell. But his end was 6 months of misery.
If you drink and there are no consequences why stop? It takes losing friends, job, family, marriage. Then finally health for some. Wait until health fails it may be too late anyway.
Took care of an old dude in my first job nursing. Probably 60-65 then. Power drinker. Had a devoted German (I think) wife. She put pictures in his room. Each pic was a bar in Europe. German bars and Irish bars and pints and steins.
He died one weekend at the hospital when I was off. Bet he had stories to tell. But his end was 6 months of misery.
Posted on 8/5/26 at 9:38 pm to FlyingTigerBo
Can someone diagram the sentences in this comment for me?
Posted on 8/5/26 at 9:48 pm to High C
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Often severe suffering
Truth
Posted on 8/5/26 at 10:06 pm to i am dan
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Watch some addict interviews on the Soft White Underbelly youtube channel.
It helped find an OTer's family member (brother) that one time.
Posted on 8/5/26 at 10:09 pm to FlyingTigerBo
Depending on perspective, the cure for most human problems is actually suffering. He's spot on.
People think we can happy our way out of everything. Taxes. Politics. Responsibility. Drugs. Etc.
Getting out of any of that requires some level of what most people would call suffering.
People think we can happy our way out of everything. Taxes. Politics. Responsibility. Drugs. Etc.
Getting out of any of that requires some level of what most people would call suffering.
Posted on 8/5/26 at 10:22 pm to FlyingTigerBo
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addiction
Every time I see the word addiction, I see the word addition and think of math jokes every time someone misspells addiction as addition.
Addition Spreads Across Cities in US as New Drug Hits the Streets.
New Addition Line Helps Those with Drug Problems
I guess Math like Meth is a powerful Drug.
This post was edited on 8/5/26 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 8/6/26 at 2:49 am to FlyingTigerBo
“Life is pain, highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 5:24 am to RummelTiger
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I would never look to Ben Affleck for life advice, so I don't really have any feelings about his feelings.
Had it not been for this thread, I would have remained blissfully unaware that Ben Affleck had an opinion on anything.
James Woods opinions are valid. The rest of those vapid twits are told what opinions to release by bad people.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 6:13 am to FlyingTigerBo
Guy has been elbow deep in J Lo. Respect that man.
Addiction is a personality trait. I’ve never done drugs and don’t drink, but I easily get addicted to hobbies, etc to the point it can hurt relationships. Some of that is what makes people great. Any pro athlete, actor, high level executive, etc you see is prob addicted to his craft. We need to stop acting like it’s wrong to not be an average, chubby human being with a mortgage and mundane lifestyle.
Addiction is a personality trait. I’ve never done drugs and don’t drink, but I easily get addicted to hobbies, etc to the point it can hurt relationships. Some of that is what makes people great. Any pro athlete, actor, high level executive, etc you see is prob addicted to his craft. We need to stop acting like it’s wrong to not be an average, chubby human being with a mortgage and mundane lifestyle.
This post was edited on 8/6/26 at 8:10 am

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