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Here’s to the boys who fell at Gallipoli (Dardanelles) w/ pics and videos -history discuss
Posted on 4/27/19 at 12:34 am
Posted on 4/27/19 at 12:34 am
Gallipoli campaign wiki
And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda (with footage)
Over 550 thousand casualties.
300k+ ANZACs (Australia/New Zealand troops) and Allies.
250k Turks.
Churchill’s greatest shame.
Imagine, if you will, being a young man plucked from the outback. Given a bit of training and a rifle, tin helmet and a pack, and sent off to a foreign land, for a King and Country most of you had never even seen.
An assault on hardened beaches ringed by sheer cliffs, a multitude of Turkmen dug in, waiting, largely unscathed by an ineffective bombardment due to captain’s unwilling to risk obsolete ships.
Makeshift landing craft deploy you into the shallows as machine gun control fire strafes the lines, waves foaming red with the spilled blood of fallen comrades. If you are lucky enough to make it to land you face thundering artillery and an incessant rain of screaming lead.
You dig into the sand and dirt, desperation fueling your quest to find some cover from the death that seeks you endlessly.
Sabaton-Cliffs of Gallipoli
Those that survive manage to secure a beachhead and establish a trench line, as the Turks retreat to theirs on the opposite side of no man’s land. And then the grim reality sets in as any glamour of war fades.
The cruel sun belches down upon you as the bodies pile high, the dead attracting clouds of flies, black swarms that bred and multiplied on the decaying flesh. Dysentery sweeps through the trenches, men literally shitting themselves to death. The stench of offal and rot inescapable. So unbearable that ceasefires were called so that the dead could be buried. Enemies side by side in no man’s land, interring the fallen out of sheer necessity.
And all for naught. Almost a year of fighting, dying. Suvla Bay stained scarlet from senseless slaughter. And then those who were crippled and maimed, scarred and shaken, shipped back home to pick up the pieces.
So raise a glass to those that fell in vain. Raise a glass to the dead and those that lived in the land of the dead.
To their honor and their memory, and that we may not see the hell they saw.
Battle of Gallipoli in depth video
Would it have succeeded for the Allies if the navy had been willing to sacrifice its obsolete ships? Or if Ataturk had not rallied his men to such an heroic defense?
Anyone else fascinated by this campaign? Any other good media on this?
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 1:18 am to fr33manator
Is that little Leo?
Posted on 4/27/19 at 1:20 am to fr33manator
quote:
Imagine, if you will, being a young man plucked from the outback. Given a bit of training and a rifle, tin helmet and a pack, and sent off to a foreign land, for a King and Country most of you had never even seen.
This is pretty much what every US Marine goes through.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 1:25 am to fr33manator
Sounds like war, Nancy.
This post was edited on 4/27/19 at 1:35 am
Posted on 4/27/19 at 1:27 am to fr33manator
There's a good movie starring Mel Gibson that came out in the 80's about it.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 1:41 am to fr33manator
Churchill’s greatest shame?
Churchill never wanted infantry involved.....
Churchill never wanted infantry involved.....
Posted on 4/27/19 at 2:18 am to beerJeep
His diaries show that the defeat at Gallipoli haunted him. The failure of the navy to stick to the plan and endure the sacrifice of obsolete vessels doomed the assault from the beginning and cost countless lives in addition to his position.
It was certainly a source of shame for him.
It was certainly a source of shame for him.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 2:21 am to beerJeep
quote:
Churchill’s greatest shame?
Churchill never wanted infantry involved.....
It's widely accepted and damn near indisputably fact that it was his fault that thousands of teenagers(barely ready for service) from Australia as NZ died in Gallipoli.
It was BECAUSE he refused to commit infantry and whimsically sent the vulnerable ships.
This post was edited on 4/27/19 at 2:22 am
Posted on 4/27/19 at 2:30 am to mikelbr
I don’t lay all the blame on Churchill. They underestimated the Turkish defenses but it was other naval commanders who refused to sacrifice vessels that were Intended to be sacrificed .
When you have a chess move that sacrifices pieces it doesn’t work unless the pieces get sacrificed
When you have a chess move that sacrifices pieces it doesn’t work unless the pieces get sacrificed
This post was edited on 4/27/19 at 4:04 am
Posted on 4/27/19 at 3:01 am to fr33manator
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sacrifice vessels that were Intended to be sacrificed .
That was Churhill's original idea, to use many of the recently obsolete ships that were destined for the scrap yard anyway.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 4:00 am to fr33manator
I always thought Churchill’s strategy was sound, and that the admirals blew it because they were too attached to their obsolete ships.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 4:11 am to fr33manator
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then the grim reality sets in as any glamour of war fades.
This happens IMMEDIATELY, once you engage and see the first death, theirs or yours, it is instant. In the end Death becomes an ally you live with.
This post was edited on 4/27/19 at 4:14 am
Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:00 am to fr33manator
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.
Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
-Wilfred Owen
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.
Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
-Wilfred Owen
Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:04 am to fr33manator
Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:11 am to JudgeHolden
quote:I agree. Strategically, it was the right move. The execution is what doomed it. I'm no WWI historian, but the biggest issue for Britain seemed to be their commanders, particularly in the army, were absolute shite and a lot of soldiers from England and the dominions died because of that.
I always thought Churchill’s strategy was sound, and that the admirals blew it because they were too attached to their obsolete ships.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:26 am to TrueTiger
I'm going to assume multiple people in this thread listen to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast 
Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:33 am to TaTa Toothy
quote:
There's a good movie starring Mel Gibson that came out in the 80's about it.
I show it to my history class. Kind of over dramatizes trench warfare but it does prove a point. The ending freaks them out.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 7:42 am to fr33manator
Jack:
How fast can you run?
Archy Hamilton:
As fast as a leopard.
Jack:
How fast are you going to run?
Archy Hamilton:
As fast as a leopard.
Jack:
Then lets see you do it.
-GALLIPOLI
How fast can you run?
Archy Hamilton:
As fast as a leopard.
Jack:
How fast are you going to run?
Archy Hamilton:
As fast as a leopard.
Jack:
Then lets see you do it.
-GALLIPOLI
Posted on 4/27/19 at 8:21 am to Tunasntigers92
quote:
This is pretty much what every US Marine goes through
I’d imagine most Marines would tell you to kiss their asses
Posted on 4/27/19 at 9:09 am to fr33manator
quote:LINK
Any other good media on this?
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