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re: Help with riddle - How Much Money Did The Store Lose?

Posted on 12/11/23 at 7:22 pm to
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95905 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 7:22 pm to
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Resident accountant here… $70 worth of product, $30 worth of cash.
Good lord

Please people, don’t judge all accountants. $100 cash was stolen. That is it
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 7:23 pm
Posted by Seaux_cal_tiger
Member since Sep 2016
394 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:07 pm to
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Resident accountant here…


Well Mr. Accountant, why or why not do we factor COGS into the answer? The non-accountant oil-field worker CPA’s have it figured out.
Posted by MidWestGuy
Illinois
Member since Nov 2018
782 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:56 pm to
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We don’t have enough info on the mark up of what he bought with the $70.


Irrelevant. They would have sold it for $70, so they are out $70.

And since markup wasn't stated in the problem, it has to be considered outside the realm of the problem.
Posted by MidWestGuy
Illinois
Member since Nov 2018
782 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

$350


???????
Show your work.
Posted by MidWestGuy
Illinois
Member since Nov 2018
782 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:23 pm to
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Resident accountant here…

$70 worth of product, $30 worth of cash.

Now I’ll go read the thread and see what everyone else came up with.


No, as others have said - the later sale has nothing to do with it. He stole $100. Period. Coming back and buying a $70 item (or any $ item) has no bearing on it. The $100 and $30 change is just a red herring to make you think it's related.

Do we have to somehow show that he used the same bill with the same serial #? Would that make a difference? NO!

He bought $70 of stuff, period. He could have used $70 in cash and no change, he could have put it on his credit card, he could have used a DIFFERENT $100 bill!

Either way, again, the cash register will show $100 short that was stolen. Later, the $70 item sale all matches - no shortage in the cash register. It is a separate transaction.

Yes, $70 + $30 = $100, but it doesn't matter.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 9:25 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37157 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:27 pm to
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How much money did the store lose?


Problem is the word “money”.

The company now has $30 less in the till, plus one less item of inventory.

The item has a selling point of $70. If they would have sold it for $70, then they have lost $70 of revenue.

But in their books they don’t realize a $70 loss. They realize whatever their carry cost is for that inventory item.

But you asked how much “money” they lost.

They lost $30 in money.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37157 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:30 pm to
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$100 cash was stolen. That is it


The till is short $30. Minus 100 plus 70.

Since the inventory item was stolen, the POS doesn’t know to expect $70 more in sales.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
114040 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:46 pm to
This person steals $100 in cash from the store. The store is -$100. This person then gets $70 worth of goods and uses the $100 to pay for the goods. This person gives the $100 in cash and is given the $30 in change.

How much did the store pay for the goods? let's say $40 and they were selling them for $70. So what they lost was the $30 they gave back in change plus what they paid for the items.
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2023
4322 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:04 pm to

Let’s say the guy had two $100 bills on him (one stolen from the store and one his own).

If he buys the goods with the $100 that he already had no one would be saying the business was out extra money.

So it doesn’t suddenly make the store out extra money simply because he used a (stolen) $100.


Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
18892 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:07 pm to
The cashier was the boy's mother.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30468 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:09 pm to
$65.


No sorry. 95
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 10:11 pm
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
5741 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:12 pm to
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why or why not do we factor COGS into the answer?


Were y’all asked to figure out a specific amount (like in your subject) or to answer the question/concept about how to calculate amount like whether to factor in COGS or not?

I am not seeing how you could figure out a specific COGS based on info given.

Also was it specifically called a riddle or is that just what you are calling it here?

When I think of a riddle there is usually some kind of play or distraction based on the specific words used like:
quote:

Mississippi has four S's and four I's. Can you spell that without using S or I?

Answer: T-H-A-T

Riddle: There’s a one-story house where everything is yellow. The walls are yellow. The doors are yellow. All the furniture is yellow. The house has yellow beds and yellow couches. What color are the stairs?

Answer: There are no stairs—it’s a one-story house!
Posted by DrrTiger
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2023
372 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:19 pm to
The store lost $30 plus its cost of the stolen item.
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
3276 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:43 pm to
Let’s say store has $200 in register. If they sell $70 of goods, then they have $270 in the register and are down the cost of the goods.

Now if $100 of the $200 is stolen, they have $100 in the register. If that $100 is then used to buy $70 of goods, they have they have $170 in the register after giving $30 in change. And are down the cost of the goods (just like above).

They have lost $100.
Posted by Kadjin
edge of the basin
Member since Oct 2013
1251 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:59 pm to
I’d say the store lost $100, the purchase was legit regardless of where the money came from, items were charged, money was exchanged like a typical transaction so that’s a wash.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
2110 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:18 am to
100-(price of goods sold-cost of goods sold)= your answer
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37733 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:57 am to
quote:

Riddle:
A man steals a $100 bill from a store’s cash register. Then he buys $70 worth of goods at the store using the $100 he stole and he gets $30 in change back. How much money did the store lose?

We'd have to know the store's profit margin/markup on the clothes he bought with the stolen money in order to deduce the store's losses. The reason being that the store regained some of the stolen money in profit from the sale.
Posted by subMOA
Komatipoort
Member since Jan 2010
1723 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:01 am to
All depends on how much the store paid for the item(s) stolen.

In fact, the thief may have been doing the company a favor by “buying” an item depending on manufacturer’s retail incentives to the seller.

That $70 item retailed, no matter how ill gotten, could have theoretically pushed the retailer over a volume incentive threshold and could mean thousands of extra dollars in discounts on other wholesale goods and year end awards.

If there are any young career or college people reading this- business is not as straight up transactional as people think.

The sooner you quit being tactical and become strategic to look at the overall view and health of the company, instead of “someone stole something from us” is the sooner they let you run the place.

The whole point if this exercise was to teach the team here that things aren’t always what they seem.

These are great ways to see how people react in different arenas- they are also super low risk on deciding how promotable people are. Remember- at work, you are always on an interview.

Signed,
<- A guy who they let run the place and owns the place now.


Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
24048 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 5:28 am to
What's the profit margin on the purchased good?
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42836 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 5:46 am to
The simple answer is $100.

If the answer is supposed to have a twist, you could say that the store lost $30 in actual cash money and lost goods valued at $70.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 5:51 am
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