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re: Help with riddle - How Much Money Did The Store Lose?

Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:59 am to
Posted by GeauxtigersMs36
The coast
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:59 am to
200
Posted by yakster
Member since Mar 2021
1374 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:02 am to
I was reperating. Making up for years of overpriced products by the establishment
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7113 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:13 am to
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A loss to shrinkage is still a loss . This take is absolutely comical.




As is usually the case someone will always posit that there is, indeed, a free lunch. Walmart or whoever the frick can call it Aunt Sandy the fact of the matter is the only one suffering a loss is the consumer who pays for all shrinkage, loss, whatever the frick you want to call it. The retailers ONLY source of revenue is sells. ALL expenses have to be covered by that revenue. Revenue must, if the business is viable and profitable, must exceed expenses. A business manages losses or shrinkage or Aunt Sandy in order to remain competitive BUT all expenses are passed on, by necessity, to the ONLY source of revenue available to ANY business and that is paying customers. They are kept up with in order to maintain a competitive price...the only "loss" is to the consumer who is paying more than they would be otherwise if some a-hole wasn't stealing shite.
Posted by Enoch
Member since Jan 2019
280 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:26 am to
$170 in value

Draw starts the day with 10 10 dollar bills.
Store only has $70 in value merchandise.

100 dollars stolen, but the company still believes they have it. With zero transactions and it’s the end of the day and the company/cashier would expect $100. If it’s at zero then the cashier would have to cover that.

$100 is stolen
Person buys $70 in value items with 10 10 dollar bills. Cashier realizes he is over paying so gives him back 3 of his 10s back.
Cashier has $70 cash in draw, but is expected to have $170 when doing end of day/closing out. Cashier would take $70 out and deposit and leave draw at the starting amount $100, but only has $70 in it. Now cashier deposits $70 and cashier/company put $100 in draw.

End of day lost $100 cash
$ 70 merchandise

$170 value total lost.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30194 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:49 am to
(100) - Cash stolen from register
100 - Given to the cashier for purchase of the merchandise
(70) - Value of goods given to the "customer"
(30) - Cash given to the "customer" for change

The store lost $70 in goods and $30 in cash.

Posted by Hiyoka
Tokyo
Member since Oct 2008
1627 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:16 am to
Assumptions:

Sales tax: 10%
COGS: 25%

Store loses:
1. $30.00 cash (change given to thief)
2. $17.50 product COGS (25% of $70 purchased goods)
3. $7.00 sales tax
Total = $54.50

Amount of stolen $100 recovered = $45.50 (“profit” on $70 sales less $7 sales tax)

*the store could probably claim the theft as a write off and save their marginal tax rate so a few more dollars in year end taxes probably as well
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 11:21 am
Posted by Hiyoka
Tokyo
Member since Oct 2008
1627 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:18 am to
The store doesn’t lose $70 worth of goods, it loses the actual cost to purchase those goods
Posted by BiggerBear
Redbone Country
Member since Sep 2011
2923 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:20 am to
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From a legal perspective, $100 total worth of cash and merchandise.


Legally, I think the store only lost $100 in cash. The merchandise was paid for and change given legally - just as if the perp had walked in and spent his own money. The illegal part is the intial theft from the cash register.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30194 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:55 am to
quote:

The store doesn’t lose $70 worth of goods, it loses the actual cost to purchase those goods


The store started the day with $100 cash and $70 in goods.

They ended the day with only $70 cash.

They lost the goods (whose sell value was $70) and $30 cash.

For the sake of the riddle, I would assume we aren't taking COGS into account, as that would make the question impossible to answer since that information wasn't given.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 11:58 am
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
20399 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:16 pm to
$100. The original theft.

Everything else is just normal business transaction.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
71155 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:19 pm to
$288
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24770 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:23 pm to
quote:

How did you come up with this?


How would you not?
Posted by StanDarsh
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2015
122 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:31 pm to
Lurk more
Posted by Seaux_cal_tiger
Member since Sep 2016
394 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

How would you not?


Obviously I have missed some OT nonsense about 350. Care to elaborate?
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64052 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:16 pm to
At the end of the day, the register gets counted out and it is $100 short. The transaction is just a smoke screen. The store is out $100.
Posted by lsusa
Doing Missionary work for LSU
Member since Oct 2005
4585 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:22 pm to
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$100. The original theft. Everything else is just normal business transaction


Right.
There is no riddle here. We’re told the guy steals $100. That’s the end of the “loss” for the store.

Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64052 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:25 pm to
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Even amongst the Accountants in our group there is disagreement. What say the OT?


Find new accountants.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71426 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:37 pm to
I mean I understand that retailers increase their sales with built in shrinkage, but nobody is asking for the CQ transactions/expense timings, they are asking current day.

Also, Walmart and others true those expenses up on the regular, so you're also wrong there as well.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36053 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 2:22 pm to
Yes

The loss is 100 dollars. End of story.

If a guy steals 100 dollars and never comes back to the store the loss is 100 dollars. The thief returning to the store and purchasing 70 dollars worth of goods is no different than you or I purchasing 70 dollars worth of goods from that same store.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 3:09 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64052 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

Yes

The loss is 100 dollars. End of story.

If a guy steals 100 dollars and never comes back to the store the loss is 100 dollars. The thief returning to the store and purchasing 70 dollars worth of goods is no different than you or I purchasing a 100 dollars worth of goods from that same store.


Exactly. If the store does a full inventory that same night, they'd find no loss of inventory (unless someone else stole something that day). Only the loss at the register goes in the books. That is the loss to the company.
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