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re: Helene - Recovery Begins...Devastating Flash Flooding in Western NC and Eastern TN

Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:38 pm to
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
73736 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:38 pm to
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It’s not going to be a well developed storm with strong winds.


This was in reference to Helene?
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11926 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:39 pm to
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40227 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:41 pm to

I have been wondering about those people as well. I have also been wondering about the poster who said that he was offshore on an oil rig. He never gave his location that I am aware of, so I don’t know if he was in the Eastern or western area. I pray that it wasn’t the eastern side.
Posted by CarolinaGamecock99
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:43 pm to
Posted by Corporal Beavis
Member since Aug 2013
1320 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:47 pm to
Buddy of mine was supposed to get married in Boone this weekend, I'm sure he's having some difficult conversations right now
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216458 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:49 pm to
I remember this. He said he was far enough away that the storm would not effect where he was.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29730 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:49 pm to
Terrible as this is a major artery. I-40 at the North Carolina /Tennessee border is washed out. If I-26 gets taken out then this part of the country is going to have some serious transportation issues.
Posted by NorthEndZone
Member since Dec 2008
14285 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:49 pm to
Water levels above normal predicted tide (add ~2 feet for maximum water level)

Steinhatchee ~10.6 before instrument failure (located ~1 mile upriver - not on coastline)
Cedar Key 10.3
East Bay (Tampa) 7.8
Old Port Tampa 7.3
Clearwater Beach 7.3
St. Petersburg 6.8
Port Manatee 6.4
Fort Myers 5.6
Naples 4.7
Apalachicola 4.3

Timing was worst case at just about high tide, but storm path was far from worst case as track was over 100 miles offshore of TSP Gulf shoreline.

There were also waves on top of these levels.

If (when) at some point in the future a Cat 3/4 is fully developed when it enters the gulf and tracks even 50 miles offshore toward Cedar Key or Crystal River, it will be a catastrophe in the TSP metro.

ETA - These are my unofficial data points gathered from the NOAA/NWS pages. The NHC post hurricane report for Helene will be issued in the future with official data.

This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 2:00 pm
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11926 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:55 pm to
TN and NC rushed completion of I-26 because I-40 is so fragile. Politics put it in that valley, another valley with stronger rocks was not chosen because of politics.

Anyone who drives/drove that area just east of the NC state line would see pull apart areas where the soils going down to the river were unstable. and Undermined .

Good picture.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
49636 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:57 pm to
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I’ve been wondering about those people in Carrabelle Gris Gris posted about.


I just saw a post from the meteorologist that he spoke with them this morning and they came out fine. The wobble to the East saved them. He also said they know they were very lucky, so hopefully, they see the damage done elsewhere and make better choices should they find themselves in this situation again.
Posted by tvanzant12
Johnson City, TN
Member since Jun 2021
5 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:57 pm to
I26 in Erwin, TN closed due to the Nolichuckey river flooding.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
45575 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:58 pm to
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That’s not good


I told everyone last night it would happen. That stretch of I 40 is prone to rock slides and is just treacherous in general . They’ve done a lot to make it better but with as much rain as we had before Helene made landfall it was bound to happen. You can’t hold up a mountain when rain and wind is this bad. The rocks will come down to greet the flood waters.
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 2:05 pm
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11926 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 2:01 pm to
LINK

I-40 story from a KNoxville TV station.

How can the road NOT be washed out by the Pidgeon River?

There are some small towns just where the river leaves the mountains...there's no chance they aren't flooded severely.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
45575 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 2:02 pm to
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I26 in Erwin, TN closed due to the Nolichuckey river flooding.


Even in modern times with roads that cut a path I40 and I26 are demonstrating why East, TN is no longer North Carolina. We just can’t count on starting connected year round.
Posted by bbarras85
Member since Jul 2021
2409 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 2:04 pm to
Damn. This is wild
Posted by Rashcock
Lowcountry
Member since Sep 2024
305 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 2:07 pm to
Yep. Wildly, you don't have to go far from Lake Lure 20 miles or so before that water goes west and eventually to NOLA instead of Charleston.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 2:12 pm to
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Erwin, TN


There’s a one story hospital in Unicoi that is apparently flooded out
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/27/24 at 2:14 pm to
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Posted by CarolinaGamecock99
Member since Apr 2015
24821 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 2:19 pm to
Posted by MountaineerPatriot
Member since Aug 2024
134 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

That’s not good


I still remember when that stretch of I-40 between Knoxville and Asheville went out in 2004. I was living in Kentucky at the time and we were going to Charlotte. Normally it would've been I-75 to Knoxville, I-40 to Asheville and then I-26 and 74 to Charlotte.

We had to go I-64 over to Charleston, WV and then I-77 down to Charlotte. Not a huge amount longer but definitely longer.

That I-40 stretch has always been a problem. I-26 between Johnson City and Asheville is much better. I-26 reminds me more of West Virginia and Virginia where the interstate goes up and down in elevation with the rolling hills. So while you have elevation change, you aren't having a lot of tight turns like you do through a gorge. I-40 of course is right in the gorge next to the Pigeon River, in between the mountains. You have a really tight interstate with tight turns in the gorge with no up and down elevation changes at all.

Unlike 2004 I'm glad they have I-26 as an alternate now. Looks like I-40 will probably be out for months. Western NC is tourist reliant as well and I imagine many leaf peeping fall foliage trips are now going to be cancelled.
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