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re: Ferrari selling a Fake Gated Manual Trans to make you think you are driving the real thing

Posted on 7/8/26 at 11:45 am to
Posted by RolltidePA
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
6007 posts
Posted on 7/8/26 at 11:45 am to
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So did FCA/Stellantis or whatever the hell they call themselves with the new Charger.

I think maybe 7 people have bought one.


You're not far off.

"Dodge delivered just 534 electric Chargers during the first six months of the year."

Can you imagine spending all that money to develop a vehicle, just to sell less than 100 a month nationwide? Insanity. They've sold less than 5,000 of them in total over the last two years.

In comparison in the EV market, Tesla sold 480,126 vehicles between April and June.
This post was edited on 7/8/26 at 11:47 am
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
26339 posts
Posted on 7/8/26 at 2:14 pm to
Every adult man should know how to use a manual transmission. It is not that hard.

Among my old cars, I have three on the tree (1939 Buick), unsynchronized 3 speeds (Model A's, 45 Jeep), four on the floor (pickup truck).

My home towners in the late 70's had their own vaguely defined terms for shifting: slap shift (not in the modern sense), slam shift, crease shift (who the hell knows what that was), slide shift, etc.

We tried, with varied success, to master clutchless shifting.
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
12014 posts
Posted on 7/8/26 at 4:20 pm to
Looks like AI made a Corvetted.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
31619 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:54 pm to
First reviews (I have seen) are out, and they are positive.

Road & Track

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Niggles should not distract from the magic being wrought here. By the end of my time at Balocco I was treating the Manuale as a true manual and was searching for the smallest clues to break the spell. Had I started the day having been told the car had a full mechanical transmission with a newly developed inhibitor system, I honestly don’t think I would have spotted the fakery. On that basis, the Turing Test is satisfied, and the machine won.


Webpage Archive since I can't remember if R&T is a paywall

Motor Trend

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Back home, as I thought over the action-packed day in Italy, I realized that the 1,499 lucky buyers won’t complain that this manual is easy to drive. Ferrari has preserved the fun—the shifting, the clutch, the rhythm of working through the gears—while smoothing away some of the frustrations. The technology may be complex, and it comes with a hefty $670,000 price tag, but from behind the wheel, the experience still feels wonderfully engaging. Three pedals, six gears, and a V-12 working in harmony; there’s nothing unnatural about that.


Motor Trend

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Judged against other cars with a gated shifter between the seats flicking forks in a gearbox on the rear axle, though, nothing about the Manuale suggests artificiality. And while you don’t get the sense that you’re feeling gear teeth engage through the lever, the metallic snick-snick that accompanies each shift is precisely what we’d hoped for. The shifter gates appear to be more tightly spaced than they are; you don’t need to worry about grabbing fifth when aiming for third. Move too conservatively upshifting from second, however, and you will end up beached on the aluminum isthmus delineating first from third.


Car and Driver





Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
31619 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:55 pm to
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
107132 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:57 pm to
Does it have compressed nitrogen tanks so you can pretend it flies? Asking for a friend
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
40710 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:59 pm to
Right?

I love cars and Ferraris, but this contstat oral worship of Ferrari is ridiculous.
Posted by X123F45
Dictated not Read
Member since Apr 2015
30457 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 10:37 pm to
quote:

you can't drive a manual then you can't drive the Manuale. You still have to manipulate the clutch bite/accelerator or you will stall the car.


So it's a poorly designed Rekluse clutch?

I had one in a five speed sequential box with one caveat, I tuned it so tight that clutch pedal had to be used. Coupled with tripled spring pressure, the only thing it would not allow was a total stall. Why? Locked rear end on pavement coupled with an engine with ZERO torque until 5000 rpm.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
31619 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 10:53 pm to
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So it's a poorly designed Rekluse clutch?


No, it has no similarities to a centrifugal clutch. Many cars have accelerator/steering/brake by wire. This just has clutch and shift by wire as well. If you choose the manual more, you have to use the clutch on every shift, just like a typical manual transmission, controlling the bite point and slip for every shift up or down. Several of the reviews out (embargo ended this morning) indicate if they didn't know, they would have thought they were driving a well-designed manual drivetrain.

While it is a bit of a Rube Goldberg solution (being very complex) it allows you the ability to have a fast car or a car you are more connected with, depending on your mood. Currently Koenigsegg is the only other manufacturer that offers a similar option.
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
13542 posts
Posted on 10/22/26 at 7:07 am to
So it’s shift by wire instead of mechanical linkage.

Same way cars today have electric gas pedals. No mechanical linkage.

Not as bad as fake sounds on an electric Ferrari.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
52838 posts
Posted on 10/22/26 at 7:19 am to
Review from Top Gear (if the real Top Gear still existed):

Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26693 posts
Posted on 10/22/26 at 7:47 am to
I don’t have Ferrari money.

But I have a real roadster with an authentic manual. The car is about as an analog as you can get today. No drive modes- the driver is the drive mode. No automatic rev matching - you better learn the car well enough to blip the throttle the way she likes it. No power operated automatic top - it’s the driver’s right arm that opens and closes it.

It’s designed to make the driver smile, and it works as advertised. And it will probably last 20 years.

Forget the Ferrari with the launch assist and pretend manual. Everyone should experience a lightweight two seater with a manual like this before they die. Mazda MX-5, Nissan Z, Porsche 718, BMW Z4…..just do it. You won’t regret it.




This post was edited on 10/22/26 at 7:53 am
Posted by NoBoDawg
Member since Feb 2014
2484 posts
Posted on 10/22/26 at 9:06 am to
Enzo be rolling over in his grave
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
25538 posts
Posted on 10/22/26 at 9:23 am to
This was my first thought as well.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33170 posts
Posted on 10/22/26 at 9:30 am to
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ou're not far off.

"Dodge delivered just 534 electric Chargers during the first six months of the year."

Can you imagine spending all that money to develop a vehicle, just to sell less than 100 a month nationwide? Insanity. They've sold less than 5,000 of them in total over the last two years.

In comparison in the EV market, Tesla sold 480,126 vehicles between April and June.


People like to make fun of the Charger for being driven by lug heads.

They aren't wrong.

But they were popular vehicles, kept the showrooms busy, and fit very well into the Dodge brand. Had Stelantis just not redesigned the damn thing, they'd be more popular.

This is only one example of many where Stellantis made some really stupid mistakes. The new Cherokee being hybrid only, the Recon being EV only, getting rid of the HEMI, then bringing it back, the entire Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer launch, killing the 300 Chrysler entirely, and not having a decent CRV/Rav4 competitor......all of those happened because Stellantis doesn't understand the American market.

I wish they'd let General Motors or Ford buy Jeep so we don't lose that brand. I have no confidence that Stellantis can manage it properly. I cringe at what the next generation Wrangler will be with these idiots in charge.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33170 posts
Posted on 10/22/26 at 9:32 am to
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Not as bad as fake sounds on an electric Ferrari.



The electric Ferrari was so fricking stupid.

And the fact that it was electric wasn't even the worst bit. It was just one of many terrible ideas there.
Posted by T1gerNate
Member since Feb 2020
5046 posts
Posted on 10/22/26 at 9:35 am to
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I cant stand fake sticks and engine sounds in electric cars. Its goddamed cringy fakery. I lose respect for every manufacturer that does this.


It's a safety issue with electric cars that if there's not some sound to them people don't hear them coming and will get hit. However, I agree some of them sound really stupid. The new cadillacs sound fricking retarded.
This post was edited on 10/22/26 at 9:37 am
Posted by Breauxsif
Washington
Member since May 2012
24007 posts
Posted on 10/22/26 at 10:23 am to
It amazes me that people still can't drive a manual transmission in today's day and age.
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
11069 posts
Posted on 10/22/26 at 11:16 am to
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Well that's dumb.


I didn't think you could top fake shift points on a cvt.

But here we are.

Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
11069 posts
Posted on 10/22/26 at 11:17 am to
Miata.

Miata Is Always The Answer.
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