re: Do most normal women know they are fat?

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I’m about two years ahead of you. Look great, feel great and love what I eat.

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I can’t wait to see where I’m at in two years- hopefully on here egging on others to improve themselves!

Core strength and hips flexibility / stability will make for a happy life. Keep going!

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Kinda my point, except she seems to be aware. Yet she will spend thousands on clothes, hair, makeup etc etc etc.....instead of simply changing a few bad habits and becoming what she probably struggles to achieve thru smoke and mirrors

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To be honest, I'd rather see a somewhat chunky white woman who cares enough about her appearance that she'll wear makeup, throw on a spray of perfume, wears nice clothes, nice hair & nails over some fit & healthy looking white woman who refuses to throw on a little makeup, do something with her stringy hair, get out of gym clothes and tennis shoes and couldn't give one shite about her public appearance.

B4 & after pics plz?

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To be honest, I'd rather see a somewhat chunky white woman who cares enough about her appearance that she'll wear makeup, throw on a spray of perfume, wears nice clothes, nice hair & nails

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Exactly, but realizing why she has to do all those things, was the OP topic.

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over some fit & healthy looking white woman who refuses to throw on a little makeup,

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Wait, you think that's bad? LOL. Oh boy, I think we have a mental pic of your SO.

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give one shite about her public appearance.

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And here we are. Does your type realize all the effort for "public appearance " is overshadowed by her obvious lack of self control. Which in turn sheds negative thoughts over such a well dressed, nice smelling attempt.

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Or you could just be alone for the rest of your lonely life.

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Tell me you settled for a fatty, without actually saying you settled for a fatty.

The point of this is not to see who's accepting some sort of loneliness. Thats where YOUR mind is.

Personally, I don't settle, but I also bust my arse to stay as healthy and presentable as possible.

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over some fit & healthy looking white woman who refuses to throw on a little makeup,


Wait, you think that's bad? LOL. Oh boy, I think we have a mental pic of your SO.

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I couldn't care less what mental pic you have of my SO.

My wife is 5'2", she won't tell me how much she weighs, I'd estimate +/- 125 lbs. I do know she wears a size 6 dress & a size 6 shoe. She's not skinny with rock hard abs & arms by any means, she's just normal size mid-40 yr old female mom to 2 college age boys. She takes care of herself, spends time and effort on her appearance AND she's a damn fine cook.

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Yes, men are fat too, but women have been effected far more by obesity.

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Don't get me wrong, I know that a massive part of this for women have been dietary choices and a lack of exercise. I do wonder, though, if in the case of women, how much of that obesity at least has a piece of it found in the hormonal disruptions as well. Just take the rise of HBC pills which began in the 1960's. It seems like we put girls as young as 15-16 on the pill for anything under the sun and the obesity rate has exploded since. Again, not saying the whole issue is on HBC pills but I do think it's soemthing to consider for overall women's health.

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She takes care of herself, spends time and effort on her appearance AND she's a damn fine cook.

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Sounds like a good woman to me.

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Yeah, to each his own. No problem My topic was kinda geared to the effort they try to look good, or look a certain way. When therr biggest issue is the extra weight that holds them from achieving what they wish. Lots of clothing, esthetics, makeup etc...all in solid efforts to make men see them a certain way. Not realizing that taking care of yourself can be as sexy as anything else you try

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Well I agree with you in that aspect. I don’t like lipstick on a pig either and don’t condone being overweight. My wife is not really what I would consider overweight.
I think you’re right, maybe I’m missing the target subject.

But still, some of the old heads in this thread are basically saying this is the ideal female form..

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But there’s a difference between that, and say… a build like Mrs Wheeler from Stranger Things (Cara Buono) who is actually older than Torrie Wilson.



Both are over 50, but one likes a normal woman and the other looks like she spends every day in the gym doing CrossFit and obsesses over fitness. Idk… a woman that age with that little body fat just looks weird to me is all I’m saying.