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re: Do deniers of evolution believe in other species of human?

Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:39 pm to
I am a believer in evolution. I in no way think we have our minds wrapped around what actually went down.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:58 pm to
Your link doesn't remotely say what you contend it says.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:03 pm to
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Even that chart is BS. It shows a massive dip in world population due to the plague. Yet the plague didn't decimate Asian populations. And Asians make up over half the current world population.

So there is no mathematic formula that can justify the spike in this century, when we know humans have lived to the age of 70 since before Roman rule, and there were triple and quadruple the number of births per family in past generations

Add to that the fact that language, domestication of animals, farming techniques are all traced back to a geographic area in Turkey 8,000 years ago, casts doubt on the ability of random evolution events sprouting a worldwide population from as far back as 50,000 years ago



I'm not sure what you're arguing? There's no magic to how 1000 people reproduce much more slowly than a billion people. Couple that with the fact that people in most areas of the world during most of history never made it past childhood, and you have your answer.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:24 pm to
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And it was the same in the 1300s, when the plague 'supposedly' decimated human populations

Human - as in Asians, and Africans too

translation: it didnt
You're not making any sense. What point are you trying to make again?
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34403 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:40 pm to
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What point are you trying to make again?

Its mathematically impossible to only have 108B births on the planet over 50,000 years. So there is no way we 'evolved' into our present form that long ago. And if we evolved faster than our scientist are currently guessing at, then we probably didn't evolve at all.

Based purely on population statistics. If we started at just 2 people 50K years ago, within 1,000 years there would have been more than 8B surviving births. That's because human population roughly doubles every 25 years. Which is verified in the growth of the US, since it its inception

1790 3,929,214 —
1800 5,236,631 33.3%
1810 7,239,881 38.3%
1820 9,638,453 33.1%
1830 12,866,020 33.5%
1840 17,069,453 32.7%
1850 23,191,876 35.9%
1860 31,443,321 35.6%
1870 38,558,371 22.6%
1880 49,371,340 28.0%
1890 62,979,766 27.6%
1900 76,212,168 21.0%
1910 92,228,531 21.0%
1920 106,021,568 15.0%
1930 123,202,660 16.2%
1940 132,165,129 7.3%
1950 151,325,798 14.5%
1960 179,323,175 18.5%
1970 203,211,926 13.3%
1980 226,545,805 11.5%
1990 248,709,873 9.8%
2000 281,421,906 13.2%
2010 308,745,538 9.7%

In fact, the largest population growth came during the most difficult of times, before medical and industrial developments. People needed multiple births in order to survive: 38.8% growth up to 1810. And before you say IMMIGRATION, only 120K people had immigrated to the US by 1810. We were hard to reach, actually

The lowest growth rates have been since the industrial age. World population doubles about every 30 years now. Meaning we grew at a faster pace when we first began reproducing that we have in an advanced society. The current guess is that the population grew very slowly from 10,000 BCE to 1700 (by 0.04% annually). Humans would not have survived 50K years ago with only a .04% annual growth rate. That's only 1-2 new persons per every existing person, every 25 years

So what I am saying is, we have grown exponentially since our appearance on Earth, up until we actively started preventing it. And that no way in hell was that 50,000 years ago
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 8:45 pm to
You don't account for mt toba.
Supposedly killed off most hominids globally.
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7949 posts
Posted on 6/29/18 at 9:05 pm to
Mere humans may find it difficult to reconcile Intelligent Design and evolution, but I assure you, God has no problem reconciling to two.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19800 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 12:07 pm to
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Its mathematically impossible to only have 108B births on the planet over 50,000 years. So there is no way we 'evolved' into our present form that long ago


That's not what the theory claims. Modern humans only began appearing out of Africa during that time. They were in the Levant over 100,000 years ago (which is just north of Africa, so this makes sense). Later they showed up in India and Australia 50,000 years ago. Probably about 40-50,000 years ago for East Asia. It wasn't until 35-40,000 years ago for Europe.

But there were modern humans living in Africa probably as far back as 200,000 years ago.

As they traveled across the world, some of them bred with other species. In Europe, East Asia and the Middle East, they bred with Neanderthals. In Southeast Asia and Australia they bred with Denisovans and probably another species yet undiscovered. The only modern humans without Neanderthal ancestry are native Africans. East Asians and Europeans have the most Neanderthal.

So, we're learning that it wasn't nearly as simple as one group of humans leaving Africa and then evolving their different characteristics. We now know that these humans who left Africa met other species along their different routes. Different groups of these African migrants bred with different species of these humanoids in different locations. This contributed to some of the different features you see today.

And that's before we even discuss the diversity that probably existed IN Africa before anyone left. It's plausible that different species left Africa around the same time.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34403 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 9:18 pm to
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You don't account for mt toba.

Supposedly killed off most hominids globally.

And yet Christians are nuts for believing a flood killed everyone but 8 folks?

An extinction event is powerful enough to kill off all life. Or its not. Otherwise its just a myth designed to justify why evolution numbers don't match up to actual reproductive math
Posted by Somebody2
Member since Jun 2018
267 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 10:03 pm to
Lol. Louisiana probably has the 3rd most evolution deniers per capita in the US, behind only Mississippi and Alabama.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135033 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 10:05 pm to
If there are different breeds of every other animal then why is it so far fetched to accept there are different breeds of humans?
Posted by Somebody2
Member since Jun 2018
267 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 10:07 pm to
Humans are supposed to have nearly become extinct about 70,000 years ago from the Toba volcano explosion. Only about 3,000 people on some Ugandan mountain survived.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127609 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 10:10 pm to
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Do deniers of evolution...
Present.
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...believe in other species of human?
You definitely have me wondering.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
35534 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 10:45 pm to
Is this supposed to be a gotcha? Same question re: all of the other idiotic posts in this thread. Maybe read scholarship on these issues instead of running here with your latest Reddit drivel.
Posted by Pepe Lepew
Looney tuned .....
Member since Oct 2008
39061 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 10:47 pm to
No, don’t believe in evolution, my faith goes elsewhere
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
36821 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 10:57 pm to
You believe in survival of the fittest but don’t think people should compete for resources. Ha. And you call others science deniers? You are a living hypocrisy.
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
8858 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 11:08 pm to
I have no doubt that some types of dinosaurs evolved into birds, I don’t know how that applies to this thread but nothing will change my mind on that issue.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
24878 posts
Posted on 6/30/18 at 11:50 pm to
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Not sure if anyone here who is.

Seems some of them are now here
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
17069 posts
Posted on 7/1/18 at 3:42 am to
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the more evolved notion of God that the majority of modern Christians tend to hold



Iswydt
Posted by Babble
Member since Jan 2018
895 posts
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:38 am to
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Throughout history, the Catholics have championed science and education.


This simply isn’t true. Galileo says hi.
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