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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:07 pm to frankthetank
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:07 pm to frankthetank
A sticky.
We fricked
We fricked
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:09 pm to Korkstand
If this is true, then wow. We haven't been perfect with our response, but we're light years better than Europe.
Financial Times article
Article is linking strangely for some reason.
Financial Times article
Article is linking strangely for some reason.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:10 pm to GetCocky11
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NEW: Monaco's prime minister tests positive for coronavirus
This is the first head of state to test positive.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:10 pm to BRIllini07
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I’m gonna ask, via what mechanism does Heat slow the spread if we spend all day in air conditioning?
But we know it happens with influenza. We also know it happens with other Coronavirus
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:12 pm to Poker_hog
Increasing intensity of solar radiation damages the proteins chains that hold the virus together as a functioning viable organism.
Same reason a microwave oven can sanitize clothing placed in it.
Same reason a microwave oven can sanitize clothing placed in it.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:14 pm to AUstar
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Do you really believe we're going to lose 1 million Americans to this virus?
It's within the band of possible outcomes. And it's not the most unlikely one.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:14 pm to Unknown_Poster
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. Maybe it's time to concede the fact you're out of your depth in your opinion on what should or shouldn't be done and what is or is not an overreaction?
hopefully he does dude. great post btw
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:15 pm to Korkstand
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you expect about 300 people to give up their paycheck for every immune-compromised person?
It doesn't seem to me that minimizing victims of Covid has been the primary concern of the health officials pushing for social distancing as much as protecting the limited capacity of the healthcare system.
We're here arguing philosophical value of life questions with no black and white answers when the real targets for our questions should be the inadequate health care system itself.
Like why is testing so cumbersome? If we had adequate testing then we wouldn't have to treat every part of the country like it was San Francisco or New Orleans and most of us could get on with our lives like normal.
We probably will see a lot of automation in business spurred by this event. But we need to see automation in healthcare to make testing and diagnosis quicker and more accessible.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:16 pm to BamaAtl
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And it's not the most unlikely one.
This guy
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:18 pm to VABuckeye
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We'll be at 10000 by the weekend
10,000 deaths?
Eta: I thought you meant US.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:22 pm to LNCHBOX
LNCHBOX, have you actually plotted out deaths and cases on a log graph? Both are basically a linear slope once you do so.
It isnt terribly difficult to do in excel.
It isnt terribly difficult to do in excel.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:24 pm to LNCHBOX
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Another downvote from some titty baby that cannot handle simple facts ?
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LNCHBOX
A few pages behind, but I've NEVER seen a poster with more than a few posts bitch about downvotes so much in a single thread.
GET AHOLD OF YOURSELF, it's embarrassing
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:27 pm to RazorBroncs
I find it amusing the trends in what posts are popular in this thread.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:29 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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The infections can double every 3 days and overwhelm you before you even know you have a problem when you aren’t testing widespread.
Let’s say there are 500 cases in New Orleans.
Doesn’t sound too bad. Maybe you have 10 ICU cases.
9 days later there are 2,000 cases and with the incubation period the severe cases are lagging behind and building. If 2% of those need ICU then you are looking at 40 intubated patients.
At this point you say we need to do something and lock down the city. It takes a week for that to even work. So the cases are still building and you now have 5,000 cases and now you have 100 intubated patients.
If you are 9 days too late in starting that quarantine you will be looking at 400 intubated patients in New Orleans. That’s a nightmare.
The average length of intubation for these patients is 18 days.
So that’s how you can go from looking good to being swamped in a couple of weeks. That’s with a conservative 2% ICU rate and assuming only 500 cases.
I agree with all of this but we’re getting to the point where we should start to see examples of that here. As a country we may be 10 days behind Italy but I wouldn’t say Seattle is. To my knowledge there aren’t reports of thier medical system being overwhelmed.
I guess the nice thing is most of the country is over a week behind Seattle.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:32 pm to Korkstand
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I'm just trying to say that if we react the same way to every future threat, we might as well just concede defeat now. We simply cannot afford to do this. We will starve ourselves to avoid getting sick. It doesn't make sense.
We have never acted like this about anything in our lifetimes. That is what should make people be aware. There is nothing saying we would act like this again. Everyone obviously believes this to be a legit threat or most of the other countries wouldn’t have locked down also.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:36 pm to TigerinATL
quote:I'm aware. I was just trying to get selfish arse to realize how selfish he is while calling others selfish.
It doesn't seem to me that minimizing victims of Covid has been the primary concern of the health officials pushing for social distancing as much as protecting the limited capacity of the healthcare system.
quote:The answer to that is necessarily political. A capitalist system is only going to provide exactly what is demanded. What is profitable. Excess capacity that is only required 1% of the time is not profitable. In order to prepare for future events like this, tax dollars must be spent to make it happen. Unfortunately, half the country thinks doing that would make us communists.
the real targets for our questions should be the inadequate health care system itself.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:40 pm to BamaAtl
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It's within the band of possible outcomes. And it's not the most unlikely one.
Ok nah. We need to take the virus seriously, but that study flat out says with absolutely no changes we'd see 1 million deaths. We've taken tons of precautions, ranging from better hand washing to social distancing to canceling entire sports seasons. We're already seeing benefits in Italy with reported cases leveling out. I'm sure we'll still see an increase in deaths there since they lag the peak of reported cases, but if it's a sign of anything it's that the quarantines are working to slow the spread. Pair that with the fact that we're working every day on studying possible medicines to increase recovery and we're going to be fine.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:43 pm to BamaAtl
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Here's a modeling paper out of the UK showing the potential impact of various mitigation strategies there and in the US.
Saw this earlier today, people need to look past the estimated deaths for the various scenarios. The more disturbing thing was this:
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To avoid a rebound in transmission, these policies will need to be maintained until large stocks of
vaccine are available to immunise the population – which could be 18 months or more. Adaptive
hospital surveillance-based triggers for switching on and off population-wide social distancing and
school closure offer greater robustness to uncertainty than fixed duration interventions and can be
adapted for regional use (e.g. at the state level in the US). Given local epidemics are not perfectly
synchronised, local policies are also more efficient and can achieve comparable levels of suppression
to national policies while being in force for a slightly smaller proportion of the time. However, we
estimate that for a national GB policy, social distancing would need to be in force for at least 2/3 of
the time (for R0=2.4, see Table 4) until a vaccine was available.
LINK
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:44 pm to Korkstand
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I'm aware. I was just trying to get selfish arse to realize how selfish he is while calling others selfish.
I wasn't aiming that all at you either, I'm just tired of seeing the same back and forth and was hoping that maybe people could talk about something else besides whether you're a person that wants to kill tens of thousands of old, sick people, or you're a person that wants to see millions of hard working people lose their jobs.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:47 pm to TigerinATL
Welp, sent our first employee home until he tests negative twice. Worked one day with coworkers before starting to feel sick and getting tested.
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