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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:38 pm to WicKed WayZ
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:38 pm to WicKed WayZ
quote:I wasn't just talking about YOU, though YOU are the only one right now calling others selfish because they don't feel it necessary to jump through hoops to help YOU out.
Jesus Christ you people are thick. It’s not just ME. There are thousands of not millions of people immune compromised due to auto immune diseases, chemotherapy and medications due to medical conditions they can’t control.
quote:Back at ya.
You can frick off man.
quote:But what is in your control is avoiding potential disease on your own.
I’m not lax about my health. I have an auto immune disease that’s out of my control.
quote:And the other 300 million of us? So, your answer to my earlier question is, you expect about 300 people to give up their paycheck for every immune-compromised person?
There and hundreds of thousands of not millions like that and that’s not counting the elderly.
quote:You have no idea what I would do to save a life. I would give up my own to save almost anyone else's, including yours.
If you can’t get uncomfortable to save my life or millions of others then you can’t see beyond your own selfish way of living
But what we're doing isn't saving a million lives. We have absolutely no idea how many lives we are potentially saving. It might be 100 thousand, it might be 10 thousand, or it might be zero. Is there any limit to how much we should spend to save a life? If not, then the world should just remain shut down forever.
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:41 pm to BamaAtl
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1.1-1.2 million in the US.
That is a bold model. Like a global warming hockey stick.
My official bow out of this thread. I wish you all the best and will see you all on the other side.
All I can say, it is going to be OK.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:41 pm to ell_13
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80% is crazy given what we know from Diamond Princess.
Not really, given they were on that ship for only a short period of time. If it becomes endemic, 80% is a pretty good assumption.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:41 pm to Korkstand
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Is there any limit to how much we should spend to save a life? If not, then the world should just remain shut down forever.
These numbers have been run by people far smarter than you with education and experience in the relevant fields. They've further been signed off on by Trump who is generally loathe to listen to experts. Maybe it's time to concede the fact you're out of your depth in your opinion on what should or shouldn't be done and what is or is not an overreaction?
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:42 pm to Korkstand
You really think the rest of the world is as selfish as you? Maybe we’ll find out in a few months
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:44 pm to WicKed WayZ
quote:I don't give two shits about my retirement account right now. What I do give a shite about is all the people living paycheck to paycheck, who will likely be missing a few paychecks real soon. And there are 10 to 100 of them for every one of you with a compromised immune system. I could not ask a single one of them, much less 10 of them, to give up a month's pay so that one person like you can worry a little less. The more logical solution is to ask 1 person like you to isolate yourself so that 10 others may keep going to work. Don't you think?
You care more about your lifestyle and the economy than human lives. That tells me all I need to know about you
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:46 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:I would not expect our CFR to be lower than SK's, as long as we keep calculating based on confirmed cases. I would expect the true CFR, in both the US and SK, to be lower than SK's figure once we have a better idea of the true extent of infection.
You can’t expect our CFR to be lower than SK when their data is already skewed to female and young patients. Or give me a good reason why you can.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:47 pm to Unknown_Poster
Trump is trying to win an election. Can’t be seen as doing “nothing”. Every single political leader has been crawling over each other trying to put out the most strict quarantine rules because it makes them look better than the rest. Anyone who doesn’t participate in the race gets viewed as irresponsible. This is mass hysteria meets cancel culture.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:51 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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You have to trust the predictions and models and make a tough call.
And if you're off by a few days, or people don't listen...hello, Italy.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:51 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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You can’t expect our CFR to be lower than SK when their data is already skewed to female and young patients. Or give me a good reason why you can.
I do. Heat will slow the spread. We’ll get better at treating it. Old people know to stay the frick home. I expect when the dust settles the cfr for us will be around 0.5%
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:51 pm to BamaAtl
Oh FFS.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:54 pm to Korkstand
I'm with ya bud. I'd way rather take my chances with kungflu than economic ruin
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:58 pm to WicKed WayZ
quote:I am not selfish at all. I am arguing for doing what's best for the most people.
You really think the rest of the world is as selfish as you? Maybe we’ll find out in a few months
You are the one arguing that we should do what's best for YOU.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:01 pm to Korkstand
Has anyone actually plotted out deaths and cases on a log graph?
If you look at the log graph on worldometers it is basically linear for both cases and deaths.
It wouldnt be unreasonable to use that to gauge deaths and new cases assuming trends dont change before a certain time.
If you look at the log graph on worldometers it is basically linear for both cases and deaths.
It wouldnt be unreasonable to use that to gauge deaths and new cases assuming trends dont change before a certain time.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:02 pm to Poker_hog
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I do. Heat will slow the spread. We’ll get better at treating it. Old people know to stay the frick home. I expect when the dust settles the cfr for us will be around 0.5%
It’s a best case scenario but I could get on board with that. I think the potential treatments could be promising. It only takes something that shows a moderate improvement to effect the numbers a lot.
Watching chloroquine closely
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:03 pm to Poker_hog
I’m gonna ask, via what mechanism does Heat slow the spread if we spend all day in air conditioning?
Better treatment I agree with.
Old people staying home? Is that your goal for retirement? To spend 30-40 years working just to be locked in your house because well, young kids don’t need to worry about you?.
Obviously all of will have a time to go but this whole charade of American life’s where we bust our balls with next to no vacation for years on end is somewhat remotely based on the fact that there’s a prize at the end of it.
The prize where we can yell at kids to get off our lawns, tell the mailman to frick off on a moments notice, and for gods sake make at a least a few years into retirement before it becomes “not obvious” that we should be dead. And when I retire I want to yell at German kids, Austrian kids, Italian kids, Chinese kids... it doesn’t matter if I’m in a VRBO, I look forward to yelling at them to get off my lawn!
Better treatment I agree with.
Old people staying home? Is that your goal for retirement? To spend 30-40 years working just to be locked in your house because well, young kids don’t need to worry about you?.
Obviously all of will have a time to go but this whole charade of American life’s where we bust our balls with next to no vacation for years on end is somewhat remotely based on the fact that there’s a prize at the end of it.
The prize where we can yell at kids to get off our lawns, tell the mailman to frick off on a moments notice, and for gods sake make at a least a few years into retirement before it becomes “not obvious” that we should be dead. And when I retire I want to yell at German kids, Austrian kids, Italian kids, Chinese kids... it doesn’t matter if I’m in a VRBO, I look forward to yelling at them to get off my lawn!
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:04 pm to BRIllini07
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Massive lines at San Francisco Cannabis dispensaries before the midnight #lockdown
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:05 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I dont think heat is going to play the part people think it will. Eventually, maybe. Right now the highs are mid 80's. People are talking like it's going to be upper 90's right around the corner and that just isnt going to happen.
Talking to some of my friends who work in the med field today, I'm not worried as much about coronavirus as I am about having a blowout on the interstate. I am much more concerned with the economic impacts from it
Talking to some of my friends who work in the med field today, I'm not worried as much about coronavirus as I am about having a blowout on the interstate. I am much more concerned with the economic impacts from it
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:06 pm to BamaAtl
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In addition, even if all patients were able to be treated, we predict there would still be in the order of 250,000 deaths in GB, and 1.1-1.2 million in the US.
Do you really believe we're going to lose 1 million Americans to this virus? (I don't).
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:06 pm to Unknown_Poster
quote:It would not be politically prudent for any politician to do what I think. That doesn't mean that I'm wrong and they're right. It just means that it's hard to criticize someone for doing too much, and easy to criticize for doing too little. Further, since we can't know the outcome should we take a different path, any result can be defended simply by saying "imagine if we didn't take drastic measures".
These numbers have been run by people far smarter than you with education and experience in the relevant fields. They've further been signed off on by Trump who is generally loathe to listen to experts. Maybe it's time to concede the fact you're out of your depth in your opinion on what should or shouldn't be done and what is or is not an overreaction?
I'm just trying to say that if we react the same way to every future threat, we might as well just concede defeat now. We simply cannot afford to do this. We will starve ourselves to avoid getting sick. It doesn't make sense.
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