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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:29 pm to
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:29 pm to
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It's the warning of where this can go.
Good thing we don’t have any of their underlying factors.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:30 pm to
No it’s not
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:30 pm to
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He doesn’t know shite about me and my life Petti


Nor you mine. And I do not wish ill towards you and yours.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88014 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:31 pm to
Same VA. Same.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 4:31 pm
Posted by Scrimpin Gary
ATX
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:32 pm to
Who has the image showing the comparison of the US and Italy trend lines? I know it’s been posted a ton. TIA
Posted by LSUminati
Member since Jan 2017
4164 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:33 pm to
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1) Because the virus will get spread to the elderly by younger people.

2) It will overload the healthcare system if everyone gets sick at once. Have you paid attention to the "flattening of the curve?"

Yes, absolutely understood. On (1), that is why I shifted focus on the extensive quarantine being focused on the at risk population. On (2), yes, agreed again. But, in theory holding all else equal (i.e. the summer does not reduce the virus/no vaccine is produced), wouldn't we just be delaying the eventual spread anyway? My question is, theoretically, we allow this thing to naturally run its course within people who won't require medical resources while shielding those at risk, thus developing our immunity and preventing transmission in the future.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88014 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:33 pm to
The one where they move the US “start date” to justify an overrraction?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:33 pm to
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Sorry this pandemic has slightly inconvenienced your life
How can you look at the measures taken so far and call that "slight"?! This will probably end up costing in the ballpark of a trillion dollars in lost economic output. It's not the virus doing that, it's our response to it.

So many small businesses will have to shut down for good. And larger businesses will trim down after realizing they don't need so many employees. Many people will be unemployed after all this. The effects will be felt for a long time.

And this is shitty to say, but the worst part is there will be nothing to rebuild when everything calms down. At least after a natural disaster, there are homes and other structures that need repair, which boosts the economy for a while. After this it will just be a prolonged period of gradual improvement.

How many lives is all this worth? Keep in mind that the flu is at this moment still killing over 10 times as many people every day.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88014 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:34 pm to
That’s what the UK is doing.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:34 pm to
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Good thing we don’t have any of their underlying factors.


You could argue we have worse underlying factors. Obesity, diabetes and heart disease, hypertension.
Posted by LSUminati
Member since Jan 2017
4164 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:36 pm to
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That’s what the UK is doing.


I don't know what method is right, and I don't believe anyone does with certainty. I am just simply wondering if there is a legitimate argument to be made for that approach, taken in conjunction the balance of economic ramifications.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88014 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:36 pm to
What we don’t have is the elderly percentage, smoking percentage, culture, and the jumping off point initiated by thousands of Chinese coming home to work in textile factories.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3206 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:39 pm to
Ell, we don’t have their underlying factors, but also don’t know if we have worse ones.

In the thread with the Kenner Lawyer in serious condition at 45, the theme was “well, he’s fat so of course he’s in ICU”.....

If obesity is a factor, we go straight from “well, we’re not as old as Italy” to “Shiite, but we sure are fatter than them”

We just genuinely do not have data at this point.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
46735 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:39 pm to
Governor just said we can’t assume that we would be different than Italy just because.

Being in charge and in his position, it would be hard to disagree.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:40 pm to
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And those without?


They tested the potential exposures, even if asymptomatic.
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
9141 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:41 pm to
So...are things better or worse today than they were yesterday in the U.S.?
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:42 pm to
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Wut?


Deaths over current cases will give you a poor measure of CFR if the a) number of cases is increasing exponentially and b) the amount of time from infection to death is a week or longer.

We have a pretty good CFR for China since their peak has passed. We can assume there was a good number of asymptomatic cases. South Korea is probably a best case scenario for the US. They have done a much better job of handling it to date.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23036 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:43 pm to
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What we don’t have is the elderly percentage, smoking percentage, culture, and the jumping off point initiated by thousands of Chinese coming home to work in textile factories

Why does the percentage matter? The US has 34 million smokers, 50 million people over 65 years old. Italy has 60 million people. Not to mention, thousands of Chinese likely visited NYC, LA, Disney, in the time that the virus was breeding.

And like has been mentioned, if obesity, diabetes, heart disease are a factor in severity then we could be in big trouble if spread gets out of control. At that point you're not quarantining "old people" anymore.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:44 pm to
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We have a pretty good CFR for China since their peak has passed.


We would if they hadn't stopped reporting.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88014 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:45 pm to
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Governor just said we can’t assume that we would be different than Italy just because.

Being in charge and in his position, it would be hard to disagree.
I’m not assuming it just because. I have valid reasons. This to me is fearmongering. Using the worst case scenario to scare people into compliance.

If I showed you a picture of a gruesome car wreck and tell everyone that we all have to stop driving because it’ll save thousands of lives, will you fall in line?

Right now we are being told, almost forced, to self quarantine for fear of thousands dying.

Is that really reasonable without any question whatsoever?
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