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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 3/8/20 at 9:30 am to
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 9:30 am to
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Personally 235k total infected in Italy alone doesn’t pass the smell test. It seems very high for this early in the game.


Well that’s exactly my point. I know you already know this. It’s why I don’t think we are looking at a 0.1% mortality rate because I can’t imagine Italy would have that number of infections right now. It would mean the virus would have had to start there well before we estimate it started in China.
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 9:31 am
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53470 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 9:31 am to
I like to live vicariously through dollar bills used to snort coke off of a hooker’s belly.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105312 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 9:33 am to
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Who here wants more government influence over your healthcare?

This is a great example.



South Korea and Singapore are doing a great job. Maybe it's not the government, but who's running the government and what their agenda is.

What would a private sector pandemic response look like?

I just got through with a situation where the ER discharged a relative suffering from delirium because her ins. carrier said she didnt meet the criteria for admission. Later that night she was back, in worse condition, and finally got admitted, after needless suffering for her and her family, and higher cost for all concerned. And while they are paying for the hospitalization, they still declined the second ER visit, which we will have to appeal. I'll agree with you that government run health care sucks. From where I sit, the private system is little better, if any.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 9:33 am to
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discharged a relative suffering from delirium because her ins. carrier said she didnt meet the criteria for admission


Well right now we are dealing with government saying patients don’t meet criteria for testing because of a shortage of tests produced by the government, the private sector had a solution for that early on.

Both systems have flaws.

The problem with ours is we have a hybrid system. A third party payer without price transparency. It’s “private” but no one knows what anything costs so the free market can’t work like it should to bring costs down.
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 9:37 am
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 9:37 am to
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I like to live vicariously through dollar bills used to snort coke off of a hooker’s belly.



Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
31030 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 9:37 am to
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Outside the context of this thread about this virus you are completely correct. People are always calling me a germophobe. I don’t give a shite. I’m not trying to eat some else’s germs from their nether regions off the menu at a restaurant. And don’t get me started on shopping carts. And the literal shite that cash sees is unbelievable.

frick all of that.


Funny story. My wife’s uncle was making fun of us for going to the bathroom to wash our hands before we started eating at a restaurant. He said germs are good for you. Then he puts his head down on the table and licks the table. We all have blank stares on our face. The next time we see was a few months later. He told us he was sick as a dog that night and lost count on how many times he vomited.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15762 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 9:46 am to
Swine Flu was basically over when vaccine came out.

What is going on in Italy is an aged population of heavy smokers, Additionally, Milan itself has a lot of Chinese working in sweatshops for the fashion industry. That's what Italy did to counter cheap Asian garment prices by importing their own cheaper than dirt labor.

Wuhan is fully of people who have breathed heavily polluted air from coke ovens and open hearth steel manufacturing.

Note that only those who really suffer are those with already damaged lungs.

We already know that it has been circulating the state of Washington since mid January and those impacted were chronically ill.
Posted by shiftworker
LP
Member since Dec 2011
5320 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 9:50 am to
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I like to live vicariously through dollar bills used to snort coke off of a hooker’s belly.




Is that the same dollar bill that said “hooker” pulled out of her g-string at her other “job”?
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61448 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 9:52 am to
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hooker’s belly.
stripper sweat is a virucide....I have bottled some.

I would assume hooker sweat is similar.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11821 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 9:53 am to


Glad I read that. I feel like I learned a lesson via his pain. I have always felt similar to him. This virus is changing my perspective.

My big issue has always been I feel like public restrooms are more dirty and I cannot effectively clean my hands in there. How do I turn off water? How do I touch soap dispenser. How do I touch paper towel dispenser or air dryer? Or
Door to get out.

I see most people barely wash shite. Just touch water then proceed to touch everything I need to touch to wash dry and exit.

Anyone have any thoughts on this to help me wash hands in dirty public restrooms?
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 9:54 am
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
46735 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 9:53 am to
Good description of mild cases versus more severe

“The new coronavirus causes little more than a cough if it stays in the nose and throat, which it does for the majority of people unlucky enough to be infected. Danger starts when it reaches the lungs.”

Infection generally starts in the nose. Once inside the body, the coronavirus invades the epithelial cells that line and protect the respiratory tract, said Taubenberger, who heads the viral pathogenesis and evolution section of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in Bethesda, Maryland. If it’s contained in the upper airway, it usually results in a less severe disease.

But if the virus treks down the windpipe to the peripheral branches of the respiratory tree and lung tissue, it can trigger a more severe phase of the disease. That’s due to the pneumonia-causing damage inflicted directly by the virus plus secondary damage caused by the body’s immune response to the infection.”






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Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
46735 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 9:56 am to
Use fresh paper towels to turn on water, off water, and open door. Once you open door with paper towel, hold door open with your foot and throw towel in garbage.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5327 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 10:00 am to
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They quarantined 11 million people where this thing started. Think that may have something to do with why the rest of China didnt catch it?


I don't believe (and from what I've read over the years epidemiologists don't likely believe) that a quarantine will susbstantially change the number of people who eventually become infected by this virus. Quarantines "might" lower the slope of the new infection curve, which isn't a bad thing, but the now popular view (sort of endorsed by the WHO chief) that China blocked some roads, cancelled some flights, patrolled the streets, and stopped the disease is almost definitely wrong.

The first detected case was in Wuhan on Dec 1, 2019. I have read that Wuhan is a busy travel hub in central China. The city and province were not quarantined until Jan 23-24, 6 weeks later. By that time this highly infectious virus had almost certainly spread throughout the country, and rest of the world.

Pandemics have been known to travel in waves and even if social isolation slows down the spread, it's only temporary. This virus has plenty of hosts by now, they stay infectious for long enough that it will continue to spread. The only things that are likely to stop it now are an effective pharmaceutical treatment, a vaccine, or a critical mass of hosts with natural immunity.
This post was edited on 3/8/20 at 10:05 am
Posted by MonroeTigerstripes
Member since Jul 2016
572 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 10:02 am to
I wash my hands in public bathrooms and then use sanitizer when I leave. I’m a bit of a germaphobe since having kids.

Also, I clean my phone with lysol wipes OFTEN. People continuously sanitize their hands, but when’s the last time you cleaned your phone? Think of all the nasty germs that you have on your phone... which you put next to your face
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
7944 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 10:05 am to
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become infected by this virus. Quaratines "might" lower the slope of the new infection curve, which isn't a bad thing, but the now popular view (sort of endorsed by the WHO chief) that China blocked some roads, cancelled some flights, patrolled the streets, and stopped the disease is almost definitely wrong.

The first detected case was in Wuhan on Dec 1, 2019. I have read that Wuhan is a busy travel hub in central China. The city and province were not quarantined until Jan 23-24, 6 weeks later. By that time this highly infectious virus had almost certainly spread throughout the country, and rest of the world.

Pandemics have been known to travel in waves and even if social isolation slows down the spread, it's only temporary. This virus has plenty of hosts by now, they stay infectious for long enough that it will continue to spread. The only things that are likely to stop it now are an effective pharmaceutical treatment, a vaccine, or a critical mass of hosts with natural immunity.


That changes my perspective, although I dont fully understand why quarantines dont work. thanks for sharing.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11821 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 10:06 am to
SK and Singapore most likely have a far more singular population. In race and beliefs than the USA. Government works very well at those smaller local levels like that.
Posted by MadDogs
Member since Jul 2018
454 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 10:11 am to
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Screenings were supposed to be in place last weekend and they were not. Not travel restrictions but screening of US citizens reentering the country from Italy.




The efficacy of the screenings is another issue. The LAX screening process has not identified a single case of the disease, and yet two of the screeners themselves have come down with COVID19. It seems like more of a thing that they can say they are doing to make people feel better but has little real world impact.

LAX Screenings
(Since this article was written, a second screener has been diagnosed.)
Posted by 0jersey
Paradise
Member since Sep 2006
1933 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 10:13 am to
Please consider below.  I was sent this from a trustworthy source. Take it or leave it.

Vitamin D deficiency may put you at risk for COVID-19, and if you do not already take 2000 units or more daily, I encourage you to talk to your physician. The guidelines sometimes recommend up to 400O IU/ day, but if you get plenty of sun exposure in the summertime, supplementation is not necessary then.

In 2006, as a USPHS officer and NIH scientist, I helped outline evidence that vitamin D deficiency was the seasonal stimulus driving epidemic respiratory infections like COVID-19[1].   This review, cited almost a thousand times, noted that hydroxyvitamin D levels of 50 ng/ml appeared to protect against viral respiratory infection.  The review argued that groups with low vitamin D levels - African-Americans, the obese, and the elderly - may require a daily supplement of 5000 IU of vitamin D to reach these levels, especially in the winter.   Others at NIH were interested, as were those at CDC, FDA, BOP, IHS, and the DOD, but no one had a mandate to explore an alternative to the existing vaccination program to prevent epidemic respiratory infection.  
 
Most vitamin D comes from production in the skin rather than the diet, so when sunlight induced vitamin D production is reduced, vitamin D deficiency becomes pervasive.  Anyone with inadequate sun exposure is at risk for vitamin D deficiency, but since sunlight induced vitamin D production in the skin is blocked by melanin, deficiency is twice as likely to occur in people with dark skin.  In the winter, UVB radiation from the sun may not be enough for vitamin D synthesis to occur.  In the summertime, excessive use of sunblock which blocks UVB may have a similar effect. Old age is also linked with reduced vitamin D synthesis.  Some people require a daily supplemental dose of vitamin D that greatly exceeds the typical recommendation level.
 
In 2017 the highly respected British Medical Journal printed a  review analyzing data from twenty-five randomized controlled trials[2].  These studies considered cases of acute respiratory infection in people given either vitamin D or placebo. The review concluded that vitamin D clearly protects against acute respiratory tract infection like COVID-19, and especially benefited those who were deficient.  Daily or weekly dosing was necessary - large bolus doses were not as effective.  The review indicated that the number of deficient people need to treat with vitamin D to prevent one case of respiratory infection was 4.  This compares favorably to the effect noted for vaccination.   As one might expect, Vitamin D is much safer and less expensive than vaccine.

It would be ideal to have more research, but considering the minimal risk of getting sun exposure or taking vitamin D, I advise that everyone should do what they can to increase their vitamin D levels to protect against COVID-19.  This is especially true for older people with dark skin. I hope that our national response to this looming epidemic will soon recognize the importance of this simple preventive measure.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5327 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 10:19 am to
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I dont fully understand why quarantines dont work.


If it was possible to isolate all of the cases early on, a quarantine probably would work. Once it has spread around a country or the entire world, there are are numerous undetected cases at any given time, still spreading the disease to new victims, so you can never again establish an effective quarantine.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15762 posts
Posted on 3/8/20 at 10:20 am to
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And that has what to do with the Trump admin?


it has to do with the baseline expected from panicked masses needed to be lowered due all the pussy millennial and news media running around with their hair on fire
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