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re: Constitutional lawyers : Is Walmart demand to show receipt legal?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:09 pm to tigersbb
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:09 pm to tigersbb
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My policy is I dont respond to the store demanding to see a receipt regardless of their motivation. Given no one has yet to provide a basis for them to demand to see a receipt other than store policy I take it they have no enforcement authority as I am actually leaving the store.
I'll try this one more time. You clearly are having a rough time with the concept of private property.
Let's say an invited guest comes over to your house and lights up a cigarette in your living room. You and your wife, as non-smokers, ask them to not smoke in the house. He politely tells you to go frick yourself because his policy is that he can smoke wherever he wants, and he does not see any sign saying "No Smoking." Under your theory, you have no recourse against this individual to keep him from smoking in your house.
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:11 pm to tigersbb
quote:And to think some thought Mandie Landry was wrong in her assessment of the OT.
Constitutional lawyers : Is Walmart demand to show receipt legal?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:12 pm to dukke v
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How do any of us know you didn’t steal something??????
I dont have to prove it to you and I damn well dont have to prove it to the Walmart.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:13 pm to tigersbb
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his policy creates a defacto presumption that all shoppers are guilty until proving their innocence.
Once again, conflating standards imposed on the government with that of private business. You do not have a presumption of innocence when interacting with a Wal Mart employee or relating to an alleged violation of store policy.
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If they involve police I simply ask have you accused me of a crime.If not then I simply walk away otherwise I am being illegally detained for no reason. Under that premise I have no obligation to produce a receipt for anyone.
No shite, idiot. Thats why the officer let you leave. What exactly are you bitching about in this thread?
You insist on conflating Wal Mart's ability to attempt enforcement of store policy and police enforcement of the law, in the most nonsensical way possible.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:14 pm to Indefatigable
I can't believe this thread is still going.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:16 pm to Mr Wonderful
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I'll try this one more time. You clearly are having a rough time with the concept of private property
I dont disagree with your (Walmart ) right to make policy. You gave the example of eh smoker being asked to stop smoking in your house or leave.
Well I was trying to do just that and at the store.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:17 pm to Ice Cold
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And to think some thought Mandie Landry was wrong in her assessment of the OT.
Don't kids learn about the Constitution and how it works in junior high and/or high school?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:17 pm to tigersbb
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Well I was trying to do just that and at the store.
And you were allowed to leave the store, which you have stated many times that you bravely did in the face of great threat from the Gestapo.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:18 pm to tigersbb
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I can't believe this thread is still going.
This dude is obviously in a manic phase. He's been glued to this thread for almost 24 hours with almost no sleep. This is like his World Series and Superbowl.
He's still an idiot.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:18 pm to Gris Gris
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Don't kids learn about the Constitution and how it works in junior high and/or high school?
Honestly, no they don't. Not anymore or at least not enough to establish even the most basic understanding of it.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:20 pm to tigersbb
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Well I was trying to do just that and at the store.
Ok. Let's continue the hypothetical. As this guest leaves your house, you ask to see in his pockets to ensure nothing was stolen from your house. He, again, tells you to go frick yourself. What are you going to do?
According to your logic, you'll just sit there with your dick in hand smelling cigarette smoke.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:20 pm to Indefatigable
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Once again, conflating standards imposed on the government with that of private business. You do not have a presumption of innocence when interacting with a Wal Mart employee or relating to an alleged violation of store policy.
OK, agreed. They do not have a presumption of my guilt either.
I asked the question because if there is actually a law compelling me to comply the officer might not be so benevolent. 23 pages later the law has not been produced, just vague store policy.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:21 pm to Mr Wonderful
Horrible analogy. try following a guest out of your house, grabbing their arm and taking her purse to rifle through it while shouting that she’s a thief. You’ll be just as fricked as a store that did the same thing. Smoking is not related to this hypo in any way.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:22 pm to TBoy
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This dude is obviously in a manic phase. He's been glued to this thread for almost 24 hours with almost no sleep. This is like his World Series and Superbowl.
Who is following who, dude?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:23 pm to tigersbb
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You gave the example of eh smoker being asked to stop smoking in your house or leave.
When you're on their property, you're subject to their policies. You also generally consent to their policies by shopping there.
I can only hope your next thread is going to be entitled "Constitutional Lawyers: Does Walmart banning me from their premises violate the 8th Amendment?"
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:24 pm to tigersbb
Showing receipt is kind of a bitch when you pay through the walmart app.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:26 pm to Rep520
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I can only hope your next thread is going to be entitled "Constitutional Lawyers: Does Walmart banning me from their premises violate the 8th Amendment?"
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:27 pm to Gris Gris
quote:Coincidentally, I saw a graphic today showing that LA is one of a handful of states to require at least one hour of civics/AmGov to graduate HS. I don't know where the OP is, but perhaps he missed that course.
Don't kids learn about the Constitution and how it works in junior high and/or high school?
Then again, even educated people continue to show a lack of critical thinking skills.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:33 pm to Mr Wonderful
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Ok. Let's continue the hypothetical. As this guest leaves your house, you ask to see in his pockets to ensure nothing was stolen from your house. He, again, tells you to go frick yourself. What are you going to do?
I can let him walk.
OR
I can tackle him and hold him until the police arrive.
Or I can call the police and let them handle it.
In either of the last two I might get sued unless there was a reasonable reason to involve the police.
Same rules apply to the store.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:37 pm to tigersbb
Private property. No reason they can’t ask for your receipt.
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