Ice Cold

Don’t think they had a choice. Seller’s market and didn’t want to risk the internal promotion.

Daaammmmnnn he did USM dirty. He either must have really wanted out at Marshall or found USM not to his liking. Not like the AAC is a huge step up from the SunBelt.

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What? They made it to the Title game once in the BCS and the 4 team CFP once.

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Was ND even remotely competitive in those games?

The fact that ND made it that far was, as you point out, in large part a result of its independence in scheduling. The point I'm making is that Kelly thought he could get over the hump at LSU but did not for the reasons I discussed (IMO).

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There are many stories like this from different sources. Dude got his bag and was checked out after the first year. Basically thinking LSU couldn't afford to fire him.

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I'm a bit more charitable with Kelly's tenure. In the first place, I was blown away by the hire which was completely out of left field and seemed like a massive coup at the time.

There's no question he was successful at ND; his lack of titles was not an outlier in the school's history since 1988. I believed Kelly when he said he wanted a job in which he could compete for NCs. The conventional wisdom had always been that despite its tradition and resources (and media boosters), an independent ND just did not have a consistently realistic path to a title (whether in the polls, the BCS, or CFP).

The disconnect was that Kelly thought he could do at LSU what he did at ND and achieve here what he thought was out of reach here. He did not realize - and later did not adapt to reality - that he himself had to work harder, recruit differently, and manage the program differently. LSU was not going to win just because it is LSU.

Kelly had no P4/5 coaching experience before coming to LSU, and ultimately that proved to be his undoing. He simply had no first-hand experience of what it was like to coach, recruit, and compete at the highest level in CFB.

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Yea I think it is

Before bama Saban had a rep for moving.

We know these things to be true:
1. LSU will not lose a coach due to pay
2. We aren’t losing assistants due to pay
3. We aren’t going to lose a coach because of NIL
4. Competent or clown coaches that aren’t checked out can win a national title here

We are the same tier job as bama, tosu and UGA

So only way he goes is if he wants to coach in the NFL

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I think this is a good take.

CFB will always have its bully schools that succeed no matter what because of their resources and gravitational pull, but the path to winning is more available than ever to other schools.

OM hasn't been this close before, and whatever happens going forward, we'll never know what would have happened had he stayed (this year or in the future). I'm on record as saying that Ole Miss has plenty enough resources to pay him well, get players, and compete for the NC.

My gut feeling is that it's more likely Kiffin tries to replicate at LSU what Saban did at Bama instead of trying to replicate at Bama what Saban did there.

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Except he really hasn't.

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If you read his comments referenced elsewhere in this thread and think about his inherent restlessness, I would argue that Kiffin's personality manifests the tumult that seems to surround him perpetually.

Perhaps he's not Joey Freshwater any longer, and it's true he was at OM for a good while, but he still seems to cultivate drama. It's feels like the girlfriend/boyfriend who can't abide stability and creates conflict where there was none, knowing that it will lead ultimately to a breakup.

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He made an arse out of himself and we are paying a higher base to the next guy

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And Kiffin’s contract will have the exact same language that made Landry have a temper tantrum. It was never about the contract or the money, it was always about Scott Woodward.

“LA1” was at UL today reminding people he’s an enormous couyon.

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losing her mind

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I missed that. Is there a second part to the video?

Has there been a search for a chancellor, president, and/or AD that was more phoned in than these were? Especially for AD?

Promoting the "one of us" guy certainly can work out, and I'll be rooting for him because he is "one of us."

That also makes it harder to evaluate him objectively. One inherent weakness in the process that led to this point is that Verge will be seen as owing allegiance to a person (or persons) and not to the university. That he owes favors and pledges not to rock the boat or to do anything without getting all the necessary blessings.

He's less expensive than the alternatives. He's also expendable.

I wish him well, but I just don't think a university and athletic department do themselves any favors by not seeking the most qualified candidate through a professional and organized search (for any position).