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re: Constitutional lawyers : Is Walmart demand to show receipt legal?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:02 am to boosiebadazz
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:02 am to boosiebadazz
And when you suggest some sort of defamation suit against the Wal-Mart door checker, make sure to read Kennedy v. Sheriff of East Baton Rouge from the Louisiana Supreme Court
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 11:03 am
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:04 am to Supermoto Tiger
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My posts on here will clearly reflect I am a STRONG conservative who advocates individual liberties. You are the weak one who will accept any policy just because thats the way its always been done. and you don't mind being restricted and directed like sheeple. Sounds very Democrat to me. Are you?
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Tigersbb you’re weak.
I’m going to go out on a limb here...you are a democrat
My posts on here will clearly reflect I am a STRONG conservative who advocates individual liberties. You are the weak one who will accept any policy just because thats the way its always been done. and you don't mind being restricted and directed like sheeple. Sounds very Democrat to me. Are you?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:05 am to tigersbb
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then there is no probable cause to request police intervention which then becomes a constitutional issue.
No one needs probable cause to request police intervention.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:10 am to tigersbb
quote:so a receipt does mean something
hands me a receipt o
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:11 am to boosiebadazz
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The employee reporting you to the police gave the police officer probable cause for the stop. Passes constitutional muster
I understand that and brook no argument with the police officer or his rights. The broader question is whether a customer is obligated to show a receipt for already legally purchased items . That seems to imply the store has a right to presume any and all customers are guilty of a crime until they deem otherwise.
In essence the customer must prove their innocence or be subjected to intervention by the police and thereby calling public attention to the matter.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 11:17 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:12 am to tigersbb
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My posts on here will clearly reflect I am a STRONG conservative who advocates individual liberties. You are the weak one who will accept any policy just because thats the way its always been done. and you don't mind being restricted and directed like sheeple. Sounds very Democrat to me. Are you?
My only question, since you won't tell us what you actually bought during this conquest, is when the frick do you sleep? You went hard yesterday from noon till 4am then jumped back on at 10am. I mean, of all the shite to get worked up about..........
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:13 am to tigerfoot
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so a receipt does mean something
Never said it didn't. My issue is with the store demanding I present it to another employee to prove my innocence.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:13 am to boosiebadazz
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boosiebadazz
Wrecking shite up in here. This man knows his laws.
Costco and Sam's have been doing this since their inception, without any issues...
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:15 am to tigersbb
You really need to stop. You act like you are better than everyone else. AGAIN it only takes like three seconds for it to happen and you are acting like a giant pussy about it....
There is your attention. Now go the frick away.
There is your attention. Now go the frick away.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:15 am to MightyYat
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My only question, since you won't tell us what you actually bought during this conquest, is when the frick do you sleep? You went hard yesterday from noon till 4am then jumped back on at 10am. I mean, of all the shite to get worked up about.
You better bring a lunch pail. Why are you so invested in what I purchased? It wouldn't mater if it was three items or 133 the issue still remains.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:21 am to tigersbb
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tigersbb
Please do me a favor. Come to the Denham Springs Sam's Club and call me, and let me know when you get there, and what you're wearing.
Buy a shitload of merchandise, pay for it, and refuse to show your receipt before you leave. Then rush through the door without paying. I want to sit by the door and watch. This COVID has me bored as shite.
Any way you can do it tomorrow? I'm open all day.
ETA: Corrected, meant to say Sam's Club, not Walmart.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 11:24 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:23 am to tigersbb
We validate many many things in life
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:23 am to tigersbb
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You better bring a lunch pail. Why are you so invested in what I purchased? It wouldn't mater if it was three items or 133 the issue still remains.
$10.00 says he has a candy bar in his pocket and just did all this for the thrill of it.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:24 am to tigersbb
Ya know as much as you have complained and bitched and moaned in this thread, I have a STRONG feeling you had something in the buggy you didn’t pay for..... and wear afraid you were gonna get caught.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:24 am to tigersbb
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In essence the customer must prove their innocence or be subjected to intervention by the police and thereby calling public attention to the matter.
Deal with it. It's their policy and they are well within their rights to have it. There are no constitutional implications in your OP. Dozens of people have told you that in this thread already.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:26 am to tigersbb
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Why are you so invested in what I purchased?
Because your refusal to answer the question is highly suspicious. You had a large or expensive item in the buggy that was not in a bag (i.e. a TV, etc), and therefore you are well aware that the store verifying purchase is entirely reasonable.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:33 am to boosiebadazz
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And when you suggest some sort of defamation suit against the Wal-Mart door checker, make sure to read Kennedy v. Sheriff of East Baton Rouge from the Louisiana Supreme Court
Kennedy is a civil case where the employee actually made a false allegation of criminal conduct by a customer and the customer filed a defamation action. This required the customer to meet all elements to prevail in a tort suit.
The Walmart process does not involve an allegation of criminal action, yet requires patrons to prove their innocence of some possible crime. The mere act of refusing to comply with their demand to see a receipt is not a crime. By extension the employee involving the police for no probable reason is a possible defamatory action when it subjects a patron to public police questioning.
Ergo, my original question, is there law which compels a customer to produce a receipt upon exiting just because it suits the store's purpose? If not, there is no reason to invoke the police involvement and customers should not have to prove their innocence to the police.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:35 am to tigersbb
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Ergo, my original question, is there law which compels a customer to produce a receipt upon exiting just because it suits the store's purpose?
No.
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If not, there is no reason to invoke the police involvement and customers should not have to prove their innocence to the police.
Says you. The store can determine that it is reasonable to alert the authorities if they suspect you are stealing. There does not need to be a law empowering them to do so.
The same way you can call the police if you suspect someone is breaking into a neighbors home or your vehicle. Your epresentations to the authorities in that scenario provides the police with specific/articulable facts which provide a reasonable suspicion that the individual is or was about to be engaged in criminal activity. This empowers the officer to perform an investigatory stop of said individual.
Probable cause, which you keep bringing up, has nothing to do with it.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 11:42 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:37 am to Festus
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Buy a shitload of merchandise, pay for it, and refuse to show your receipt before you leave. Then rush through the door without paying. I want to sit by the door and watch. This COVID has me bored as shite.
Why don't you spend you bored time reading the Sam's Club agreement which compels you to show your receipt according to members. Then show me the contract that customers entering WALMART stores agree to that compels producing a receipt. Waiting ......
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:38 am to tigersbb
Wow. Your dad should have pulled out...... sorry but you are wrong here on so many levels...... it’s really sad.
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