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re: Colorado: If you don’t disclose job opening expected salary…..
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:31 am to ColoradoAg03
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:31 am to ColoradoAg03
I absolutely believe there should be more transparency in salaries, and I likely wouldn’t interview for a job that lacked information on that, as I would assume if they are trying to take advantage of an information imbalance from jump, this will likely become a theme during employment.
But there still shouldn’t be a law.
But there still shouldn’t be a law.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 9:02 am
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Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:31 am to theenemy
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Land of the free, hunh?
We are an overregulated nanny state.
Lackey's love the nanny state, it absolves them of having to rely on their own ability.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 8:42 am
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:34 am to geauxskeet
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I have never taken a job that i knew the salary until i decided to take it
so, you agreed to take a job before knowing the salary?
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:40 am to Joshjrn
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I absolutely believe there should be more transparency is salaries, and I likely wouldn’t interview for a job that lacked information on that, as I would assume if they are trying to take advantage of an information imbalance from jump
Yeah, if they're trying to hide salary info from go, good luck with that company.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:45 am to schexyoung
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The reason most white collar job salaries aren’t posted is because new hires are often paid more than current employees with years at the company in the same position
About a year ago (regarding the O&G industry) there was a study done about how often you should change jobs and companies.
This study claimed if you were a career BP or Exxon guy, you were actually making much less in earnings than a guy or gal who changed roles and companies every 2-3 years. The difference was quite flooring.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:52 am to fightin tigers
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Would you negotiate with a contractor by telling them the max you are willing to pay rather than the price they are willing to do the job for?
This take really gives some insight into how some view the employment relationship.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:56 am to Epic Cajun
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It's a waste of everyone's time if there isn't at least some sort of understanding of expected pay for a potential position.
A friend of mine interviewed for a job that has a national average of ~75k (state average is roughly the same), when they got down to discussing pay, the hospital wanted to pay her ~30k
ETA: more transparency is always better, IMO
This is a big part of the reason so many companies screen applicants based on their salary expectations nowadays. A lot of people get bent out of shape about it but it does prevent situations like the one you described.
That said, it’s also pretty one-sided and I do find it a little funny how companies want applicants to disclose their salary expectations up front, while rarely disclosing the salary band of the position up front.
Regardless I don’t think we need the government to intervene here.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:09 am to lostinbr
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I don’t think we need the government to intervene
While I agree, I hate walking into stores and they don't have prices on things. I hate the whole haggling thing like it's some third world bizarre.
The problem is is that in the third world bizarre that's their business. Trying to get an accountant to take 10 or 15k less than you could offer...It's not really your core competency as a company.
With government employees, you have full transparency, We can actually look them up by name and see exactly what they're paid.
I wouldn't be opposed to doing this for everybody. Why is what you're paid private? Constitutionally speaking
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:18 am to Kujo
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Why is what you're paid private? Constitutionally speaking
Ummm, maybe the 5th fricking amendment to the constitution? It not only protects you from self incrimination, but protects your right to keep things private as you deem fit.
This is basically where the phrase "none of your fricking business" is justified. Want to know what I get paid? Go frick yourself, that's how much.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:19 am to Kujo
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I hate walking into stores and they don't have prices on things
Nothing like that.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:30 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I hate walking into stores and they don't have prices on things
Nothing like that.
I just want higher standards of being up front and honest.
The shyster haggling game is imo vulgar as it's a kin to tricking or lying.
Can we just have higher standards without everybody crying about rights every time?
Like I don't want clam shell packaging in the United States. I don't want to have to use a tool to open something I bought.
"Don't tell companies what to do just don't buy their product"
I don't want to have to wait for 50 million people to finally get as tired as I am of it.
I don't want beer bottles where I need a tool to open it either, twist off or it doesn't sell. Screw you.
Can we put higher standards above rights? Like do I have the right to build the house that'll fall down on people....no but "that's safety"
Well, maybe all the gun violence wouldn't be around if you guys would remove clamshell packaging and bottle opener beer.
Of course my messages getting lost in the words, can we just trend to being more honest and open. It's not like you have privacy anyway. You don't think all the tech giants know every f****** thing about you? Why is it okay for them but not everybody else
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 9:32 am
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:33 am to Cowboyfan89
quote:Some of you motherfrickers just enjoy fear mongering.
If you can't grasp the point I'm making, maybe you stay out of the conversation.
Little laws add up to big laws. The more you give away, the more they are going to take.
So Colorado passed this law--no big deal, right? What about when they start telling companies what they can pay their employees (above and beyond a minimum wage)? Are they overstepping now? Where do you draw the line?
Who is this law hurting? Not some made up law that you think this is going to snowball into, but this particular law.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:35 am to Kujo
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can we just trend to being more honest and open.
That's a choice you have the freedom to make, but can't foist upon anyone else. You are arguing for less freedom here. You do realize that right?
Take the good with the bad. You honestly sound like someone who would have advocated for just giving Hungary and Poland to Hitler because you just didn't feel like fighting.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:35 am to ColoradoAg03
Can you just say that the salary is "Minimum Wage to $1 Trillion/year -- depending upon education and experience"?
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:36 am to Epic Cajun
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Some of you motherfrickers just enjoy fear mongering.
Fearmongers need a salary schedule. People who negotiate are faaar from the fearful type. You have it backwards.
frick the government. As an employer, you should be able to negotiate with your prospective employees as you choose.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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People who negotiate are faaar from the fearful type
DING DING
"Wasting everyone's time" is what pussies say it is, or guys who work hourly jobs.
Negotiating my current salary + benefits netted me a 20k/year bump and an extra week of vacation, making me now have 4 weeks/year. Had I taken the first offer, it would have been 13k/year over previous and no extra vacation.
Please explain how my time was wasted again?
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 9:45 am
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:45 am to GreenRockTiger
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Why is this bad?
I don't want the companies driving salary....I want applicant's skillsets and experience driving salary.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 9:46 am
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:46 am to ColoradoAg03
I think that is great. Companies should have to do that
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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frick the government
You've worked for the government at least twice
Posted on 6/18/21 at 9:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
Fine, but it's just like credit card use. Their choice to accept credit cards or not. "I ain't paying no 3%."
Even though many studies show that taking credit cards significantly increase your overall revenue, But those people see taking 3% in exchange for gaining 20% in sales as somehow "stealing from me". Whatever. It's on them regardless of how it hurts them (them=legit business owners not trying criminally evade taxes)
Let them hide salary, they'll only get all the people that were rejected from the "posted pay" jobs everybody applied, and they'll still be on the hook for it because people will look at the posted pay of other similar positions as the benchmark.
They're just hurting themselves, and if they could pay more, They aren't getting the top people because those people were selected when they applied for the posted pay job.
Even though many studies show that taking credit cards significantly increase your overall revenue, But those people see taking 3% in exchange for gaining 20% in sales as somehow "stealing from me". Whatever. It's on them regardless of how it hurts them (them=legit business owners not trying criminally evade taxes)
Let them hide salary, they'll only get all the people that were rejected from the "posted pay" jobs everybody applied, and they'll still be on the hook for it because people will look at the posted pay of other similar positions as the benchmark.
They're just hurting themselves, and if they could pay more, They aren't getting the top people because those people were selected when they applied for the posted pay job.
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