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Colorado: If you don’t disclose job opening expected salary…..

Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:31 am
Posted by ColoradoAg03
Denver, CO
Member since Oct 2012
6196 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:31 am
WSJ

quote:

After a new state law that requires employers to disclose salaries for open positions, some are advertising jobs available anywhere in the U.S. but Colorado



FAIL

Hopefully does not come to a theater near you.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 12:33 am
Posted by TimeOutdoors
AK
Member since Sep 2014
12123 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:40 am to
Why not disclose starting salaries? Seems like it would save people a lot of time.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:42 am to
Would you negotiate with a contractor by telling them the max you are willing to pay rather than the price they are willing to do the job for?
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 1:11 am
Posted by GreenRockTiger
vortex to the whirlpool of despair
Member since Jun 2020
41680 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:51 am to
Why is this bad? I’ve never applied for a job that didn’t have some sort of salary info advertised
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 12:57 am to
quote:

Why is this bad?


The difference in opinion as to whether companies should or shouldn't advertise can be seen as good or bad.

The state mandating how a job has to be advertised, via a law, oversteps for me. Maybe others don't have a problem with that though.
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:03 am to
I've come across jobs in Colorado for my job search. Not that I want to live there, but I look at the job postings anyway. What I have noticed is that they list a starting salary, not the actual salary.

These starting salaries are low. Jobs that should be paying $110-$120k in fair market value, are being listed at $70-$80k. I think this is done to keep applicant volume low - they just list "what the salary starts at", not what they will actually pay. If a job is posting a position that will pay $110-$120k and actually list it at that, I bet they get 4x the applicant volume than they would by posting it at $70-$80k.

I've had tons of phone screens over the last 2 weeks and I've found as long as you tell the recruiter you did your research and back it up, you can get away with giving them a higher number than perhaps seems reasonable and I have yet to have them tell me its outside their salary bands.
Posted by schexyoung
Deaf Valley
Member since May 2008
6534 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:07 am to
The reason most white collar job salaries aren’t posted is because new hires are often paid more than current employees with years at the company in the same position. They don’t want existing employees seeing those numbers.
Posted by Kujo
225-911-5736
Member since Dec 2015
6015 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:15 am to
What do you think the starting range is between two new hires before it was disclosed?

You hire two entry-level accountants, One for $50k one for $100,000?

You're talking a max of 20% variance. You have a budget for a position, you have to be able to monetize the person's work. How can you know that from the onset? Some new hire you never met before nor seen them produce, is going to revolutionize things for you..... So you pay him in advance for that?

Typically, you bring somebody in and then raise their earnings because you don't want to lose them... After they proved to you what they can do.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 1:17 am
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
20603 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 1:23 am to
quote:

The difference in opinion as to whether companies should or shouldn't advertise can be seen as good or bad.

The state mandating how a job has to be advertised, via a law, oversteps for me.


This
Posted by engvol
england
Member since Sep 2009
5055 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 2:56 am to
quote:

Typically, you bring somebody in and then raise their earnings because you don't want to lose them... After they proved to you what they can do.


I would disagree with this, typically external hires get a bigger pay rise.

With being promoted internally, I think there is more a pride/achievement feeling with the employee. They will also likely know what people in that job get paid and I would imagine few ask for the upper end of that amount. Where as external will say whatever number they want.


I say this as a one company man in my career so far.(admittedly that is only 7 years)
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119227 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 5:26 am to
Why is a law like this needed?
Posted by xGeauxLSUx
United States of Atrophy
Member since Oct 2008
21002 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:07 am to
quote:

Colorado
quote:

Hopefully does not come to a theater near you.



Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62801 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:11 am to
Employers have surely won by keeping salary talk taboo.
Just look at pro sports. Everyone knows what everyone makes and salaries have skyrocketed.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31913 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:14 am to
Bingo
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
21933 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:14 am to
Bobs Fabrication is looking for a Welder. Apply in person, Salary $15 to $75 an hour.

Easy

Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10267 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:17 am to
And so have ticket prices, concessions, fan gear....

You want your gasoline to be $8/gallon?
Posted by CoolHand
Member since Dec 2011
2084 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:19 am to
quote:

The reason most white collar job salaries aren’t posted is because new hires are often paid more than current employees with years at the company in the same position. They don’t want existing employees seeing those numbers.


This right here. I’ve seen this first hand. Unfortunately, your biggest jump in pay will most likely be when you change employers.

I don’t want more laws, though.
Posted by theronswanson
House built with my hands
Member since Feb 2012
2976 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:19 am to
quote:

would disagree with this, typically external hires get a bigger pay rise.


This is 100% true. Happened to me at my former employer so I made myself an external hire at a new employer. Decent pay bump.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:27 am to
quote:

new hires are often paid more than current employees with years at the company in the same position


Yep, and its a disgusting thing.

Employees should absolutely openly discuss their income with their peers but white collar people don't do it. Its their only leverage against the man and they don't use it.
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
10882 posts
Posted on 6/18/21 at 6:30 am to
The lone instance it is bad is the one I dealt with after a merger: New hires making more money than 2-3 year seasoned employees, despite a roughly 1-2 year on the job training program using the seasoned employee as a trainer.
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