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re: Colorado: If you don’t disclose job opening expected salary…..
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:40 am to ColoradoAg03
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:40 am to ColoradoAg03
The trucking industry is AWFUL about this - not a damned one of them is open about their starting pay because there is no minimum in this industry. You've literally got to go through the entire application process until they'll disclose their starting pay, and usually its a complete waste of time because the shitty companies are usually way behind the curve when it comes to what the topout pay is in this industry.
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Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:43 am to Damone
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What's stopping a qualified candidate from negotiating up from an advertised starting salary?
Why do you need an advertised starting salary, if you know your worth? Remember, you don't have to apply for any job that doesn't have requirements listed.
Statists love their nanny state.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:43 am to bhtigerfan
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I hate this new trend. Apply for a job only to find out it pays way less than you’re looking for.
I understand why they do it, but I don’t like it.
I agree.
Smart businesses will quote an amount and you can take it or leave it. They might not care if you waste your time applying, but they should care if you waste their time on reviewing an application and coming in for an interview.
You can always try to push them up a little when you take the job, same way you come in lower than the sticker price on a major purchase.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:44 am to ShoeBang
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You want vacation time? Go teach third grade public school.”
Never said that, ever. I assume that was your boss?
From what I thought was a Famous movie speech, Boiler Room.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:48 am to ShoeBang
quote:Where does this law say you can't negotiate? I just looked at a job listing in Colorado for an organization that I'm familiar with. The job description listed the minimum salary for the position and the maximum salary for the position. There was a 30k difference from the minimum to the maximum, seems like there is plenty enough to negotiate there. On the business side there is going to be a pay band for each position, all this does it make that pay band transparent to the person applying for the job.
So you wouldn't take the extra just because you think you shouldn't have to negotiate?
I know what I'm worth, I just want to know what wherever I'm interviewing is within the same ballpark as me before going into the interview. The fact that you are offended by this is absurd
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:53 am to Epic Cajun
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Salary Range
Salary Min :57600
Salary Max :128400
Not sure this is going to work out the way they think it will.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:58 am to Kujo
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Not sure this is going to work out the way they think it will.
If by "they" you mean the Colorado government, of course it won't. Businesses are just going to advertise their lowball offers, but the salary they offer applicants isn't going to change.
With a $70k difference, you aren't talking your way to the top of that "payscale" if they offer you $60k. You probably aren't even getting up to $80k or $90k.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:02 am to Epic Cajun
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The fact that you are offended by this is absurd
The fact that people think a company should be forced to post salary ranges by law is the absurdity here IMO
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 11:03 am
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:03 am to Cowboyfan89
Imagine you go to a store advertising a widget for $10 to $20.
For you $20...I'll go as low as $18, take it or leave it.
Do you buy it or say F'off.
Human nature would suggest bait and switch and the sense of being f***** with.
Companies thinking they're smart, by posting ridiculous ranges for the same job, are kind of digging themselves a hole in my opinion.
For you $20...I'll go as low as $18, take it or leave it.
Do you buy it or say F'off.
Human nature would suggest bait and switch and the sense of being f***** with.
Companies thinking they're smart, by posting ridiculous ranges for the same job, are kind of digging themselves a hole in my opinion.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 11:04 am
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:19 am to Kujo
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Imagine you go to a store advertising a widget for $10 to $20.
For you $20...I'll go as low as $18, take it or leave it.
Do you buy it or say F'off.
Human nature would suggest bait and switch and the sense of being f***** with.
Not the same. Why would a product that doesn't have a range of options available be advertised for a range of prices?
If you want to make that comparison, then use something like a vehicle that comes with different options. Why would I sell you a fully loaded F-150 for less than what I believe it's worth just because you want to pay the same amount as a base model?
It's like a pool of candidates coming with different levels of experience. Why should I offer someone with no experience the same amount of money as someone with 2 years experience? Or 5 years?
This is literally an example of "Salary Commensurate with Experience" having a value put on it.
Or maybe, it's just like the government where "hey, we will hire you at this pay, and the maximum we will ever pay you for this position is this".
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 11:21 am
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:24 am to Epic Cajun
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I just want to know what wherever I'm interviewing is within the same ballpark
Yet you want to force companies to list starting salary. Very progressive of you.
We need fewer regulations, not more.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
How is this hurting the company?
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:28 am to Cowboyfan89
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"Salary Commensurate with Experience"
It's the silo of tasks that position is responsible. Most positions are "stay in your lane" & "do the job you're paid for"... When the mailroom clerk believes they know better than the CEO.
You hire a person with a specific set of tasks that you believe that they'll perform.
If that person has ability to exceed that set of tasks, then you can try to milk work out of them, or promote them based on merit.
I don't care if you have 25 years flipping burgers or one month..... 25 years does not necessarily convert to higher pay. I just need you to make 12 burgers and 42 seconds just like any high school kid to do.
I looked for a similar style position and that's where I got that pay range. I'm above the maximum now, But live in a higher cost area. I could do some research to see cost of living respective to the job, But when I see 56...pfft...research ended.
That's what I mean by not working the way they think. That low ball spread makes me discredit the organization. I might have taken the higher end, depending on housing costs (I could spend $3k less a month and break even), But I'm not going to go through the process for them to say "oh, well, we start everybody out at $56k"
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 11:32 am
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:40 am to GreenRockTiger
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Why is this bad? I’ve never applied for a job that didn’t have some sort of salary info advertised
The government shouldn't be setting the terms for how two private parties operate.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:47 am to Kujo
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That low ball spread makes me discredit the organization. I might have taken the higher end, depending on housing costs (I could spend $3k less a month and break even), But I'm not going to go through the process for them to say "oh, well,we start everybody out at $56k"
So basically you're ruling out a company based on an assumption?
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I don't care if you have 25 years flipping burgers or one month..... 25 years does not necessarily convert to higher pay. I just need you to make 12 burgers and 42 seconds just like any high school kid to do.
Jesus, another crappy example. Yeah, if I want you do one thing, I'm not paying you more because you did one thing for 25 years.
Here's a portion of the requirements for one position I recently saw posted in Texas:
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Career background: at least 10 years of relevant work experience, including at least 5 years in a leadership or senior management position with comparable staff and budget, setting strategic direction, and planning and executing its implementation is required. Non-profit or membership association experience would be a plus, as would experience in managing telecommuting/contract staff in key functions.
So let's say I have one applicant that meets the bare minimum requirements, and another that has 20 years experience and 10 years in senior management--should they both be offered the same amount of money? Both meet the requirements, but one clearly has more proven experience in a management role than the other.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Why do you need an advertised starting salary, if you know your worth?
Because you don’t want to waste time applying for a job below your worth.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:51 am to kywildcatfanone
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Why is a law like this needed?
It's not needed
But a lot of employers are hot garbage
If you're going to post a job at least post a pay range
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:51 am to SammyTiger
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Because you don’t want to waste time applying for a job below your worth.
Entitlement.
There are ways around it.
1) Tell them you want to know salary range before interviewing.
2) Only apply to jobs that list your acceptable price range.
Solves your problem.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:52 am to Cowboyfan89
quote:Are you hiring them both for the same exact position, while expecting the same results from them?
So let's say I have one applicant that meets the bare minimum requirements, and another that has 20 years experience and 10 years in senior management--should they both be offered the same amount of money? Both meet the requirements, but one clearly has more proven experience in a management role than the other
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:53 am to SammyTiger
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Because you don’t want to waste time applying for a job below your worth.
Simple; don't apply for a job if they don't want to disclose the salary.
I view job boards all the time just to see what's out there. There are some that use the "Negotiable" or "Commensurate" statement that I know I would never bother with, because I know they are going to pay less because of the nature of the organization.
Almost every one that I look at has some level of experience they are looking for, and most pay Commensurate with experience.
I guess I just work in a field that values experience and compensates accordingly.
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