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Close relative is in hospice...(update page 5)

Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:24 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:24 pm
Looks like it might be the end of the road for one of my close loved ones. It's been bizarre/disconcerting/interesting to witness the various stages of dementia. I always wonder (and I guess we can never know?) what their lived reality is in that state.

Any thoughts (mostly philosopical?)?

Do you think they perceive time in any linear-type fashion at all, or is it just going by in the blink of an eye?

What do you imagine the richness is of their internal lives in such a condition?

Is there any chance they are living infinite bliss in the form of treasured memories of their earliest years (1st kiss, etc.)?

It's so easy to just be dismissive and pray for a kind end to come...but do we really know?

This post was edited on 1/10/24 at 11:10 am
Posted by ugasickem
Allatoona
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:26 pm to
Sorry for your loss. God bless
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9785 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:28 pm to
My Mom was zoned out for some time with dementia.

I visited her one day and she was totally lucid. She asked me:

"Can you believe I haven't died yet?"

I was taken aback and I said "No I can't!"

We both broke into a long belly laugh until we cried. There are moments...
Posted by Pepe Lepew
Looney tuned .....
Member since Oct 2008
36112 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:29 pm to
Godspeed

Wife lost her mom like this in October, and yes it was hard
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:29 pm to
quote:

Do you think they perceive time in any linear-type fashion at all, or is it just going by in the blink of an eye?


Even for elderly with healthy cognitive function, a year goes by very fast. By the time you are 100, a year takes up all of 1% of your elapsed life. Relatively speaking, it has become a very short time.

That's really all I have to add here. I really, really hate thinking about dementia, much less discussing it. It's a horrific disease that's as bad or worse on the people who aren't afflicted with it than it is.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6180 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:30 pm to
My father-in-law is going through this. It’s anger and confusion. It is not fun and I don’t think he’s thinking of any good moments in his life. I think there’s a point where they just give them drugs to keep them calm.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
36703 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:32 pm to
I have no idea but I consult in a nursing home and I just want to say bless those who choose hospice .. it’s such a great service to have.

I’ve seen families cause their loved ones to just linger in pain and what not.

We lost a resident today .. she was hospice and her family waited forever to decide — I know that it’s hard to choose — but this woman was suffering and the family waited and waited and waited.

God bless your family.
Posted by SpotCheckBilly
Member since May 2020
6402 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:34 pm to
We don't know what is going on in their heads. Sometimes they are happy, but that can change quickly. I think of it more as one of those old silent film ending techniques where the visible part of the scene slowly gets smaller, until everything goes black. Their world closes in on them. You just have to be patient and try to focus on what makes them happy. I think Nancy Regan called it, the long goodbye.

I've been through it with my mom. Treasure the minutes you can treasure.
Posted by Ryan3232
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Member since Dec 2008
25789 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:35 pm to
quote:

By the time you are 100, a year takes up all of 1% of your elapsed life. Relatively speaking, it has become a very short time.
this is a strange realization that I heard from my parents/grandparents when I was younger but didnt notice until the end of my 20s, into my 30s. Especially when you are working 40-45 hours a week for a 10+ year span. One of the harder realities of life is that time doesnt stop. It keeps truckin on.

Good luck OP, my thoughts are with you.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26973 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:36 pm to
quote:

there any chance they are living infinite bliss in the form of treasured memories of their earliest years (1st kiss, etc.)?


This is interesting. As someone who has lost relatives as well and someone who has taken care of a LOT of patients with dementia, they always have somewhere to be. So maybe there is something to this? Always talking about or attempting to go to work or the store or check on something in a house from 30 years ago. If you try to prevent them from getting there, keep your chin tucked and eyes open.


My Mother in law recently passed. Quick decline after a catastrophic event. In the end she was talking about long dead relatives from her childhood and helping them with their work?

Sorry about your loved one.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
36703 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:38 pm to
We’ve had some who saw their momma and other relatives and had full on conversations with them. Except no one was there.

If I ever need, I want hospice. I don’t want to be in pain. I don’t want to be anxious.
Posted by MonroeTigerstripes
Member since Jul 2016
532 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:42 pm to
Best advice I’ve ever heard and will continue to give… “get in their boat and help them row.”

My grandma had dementia and was on hospice near the end. For the most part, she was fixated on her life as a young mom when one of her children died. But she had lucid moments where she talked to me about the “here and now.” Praying for you, it’s such a difficult thing to walk through.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26973 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:47 pm to
quote:

get in their boat and help them row.”


That’s very good.

Just go with whatever they are talking about within the limits of their safety of course. There may be moments of clarity. If you struggle with them all the time to make them “understand” it’s hopeless.
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7834 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:48 pm to
This won’t be what you’d like to hear.

My grandmother passed with dementia. My mother had a very real experience with a medium where they interacted after she passed.

I’m hardcore skeptical of shite like this but this lady was saying things that weren’t researchable.

The gist of the conversation makes me believe that their lucid mind is caged in a dying body. I really hope I’m wrong.
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
6970 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:02 pm to
quote:

There are moments...

my dad said my and both of my sisters names at Christmas this year. He hasn't said our names in at least a year. Im pretty sure he doesnt know who we are at this point. But it was like a gift to hear him say our names
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:03 pm to
That’s really sad. Sorry for your loss. Dementia is fricking horrible…
Posted by TDFreak
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Member since Dec 2009
7357 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:15 pm to
Having visited an uncle in a nursing home yesterday, a lot of these thoughts are also going through my mind as well.

Even more hard hitting for me was thinking about how these people just sit all day in this place with so few visitors. The world just keeps trucking along outside. So many people longing for some interaction. I made it a point to smile and say hello to everyone I walked by while in there.

And God bless the support staff.
Posted by Mud_Bone
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:20 pm to
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This post was edited on 12/29/23 at 7:23 am
Posted by BigAppleTiger
New York City
Member since Dec 2008
10376 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:21 pm to
It really depends on the type and severity of dementia and the person who has it. My father died almost 2 years ago to the day of Covid and he had Alzheimer's/dementia. Even at almost 91 he did not lose his personality and remained the person he was, however he had lost all short term and long term memory. He was prone to daily or nightly small anxiety attacks/hallucinations but could be talked down from them and comforted. He could still enjoy a cocktail and still be engaging and charming as he ever was, but spent every minute of every day not knowing where he was or his identity if that makes sense. Just a few days before he got Covid I was talking to him and he was asking me all the usual questions, "What do you do for a living?", "Do you have any family?". He was very sly about the questions and covered his deficits very well. I'll never forget that last conversation. We had just put him in a memory care facility( I didn't want him there). After he asked me those questions I asked him one... "What about you- do you have any family?". He said "Well obviously there was some sort of tragedy involved...I mean, look where I am".

He knew who he was still but did not know his name or his place in the world. Quite unique I think, that he could still be so lucid and lost at the same time.

We throw away our people when they become too much to deal with it. It scars my soul to this day. I realize that not everyone is capable of caring for these type of patients at home, but I was willing to make that sacrifice if others could help me do so. I didn't work out that way, but I walked with him into his twilight, holding his hand figuratively and literally until I had no other option.

I suggest anyone else do the same because I don't regret one single moment of any burden, expenditure, or effort on my part.

He used to tell me right up until the end- " I know what you're trying to do for me, and I appreciate it.

He was in there...somewhere.

This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 7:26 pm
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:24 pm to
Cutting onions here.
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