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re: Changing views on mental health
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:36 pm to tgrbaitn08
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:36 pm to tgrbaitn08
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was years later that he admitted that he had a mental illness and never blamed anyone and owned it.
Right. So what does that have anything to do with 76 and the Olympics?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:36 pm to baybeefeetz
There is no question mental health is important and we know a lot more now than before which is a great thing. Mental illness can have an impact on you several ways, especially on your physical health, but I think it has also become similar how ADHD used to be (or maybe still is). What I mean is, it is overdiagnosed and overtreated.
Some doctors are quick to prescribe meds to treat mental illness instead of looking at a person's living habits first.. Checking their vitamin D levels, etc. Of course diagnosis like bipolar and other mental illnesses in which a person is possibly a threat to themselves and others is a different story, but I also think the media has turned admitting you have mental illness into something that is celebrated, its an easy way for celebrities, athletes, etc to just say to the media "I made this decision because of mental health" instead of telling them what's really going on.. just to avoid having to answer a bunch of questions, etc.
Some doctors are quick to prescribe meds to treat mental illness instead of looking at a person's living habits first.. Checking their vitamin D levels, etc. Of course diagnosis like bipolar and other mental illnesses in which a person is possibly a threat to themselves and others is a different story, but I also think the media has turned admitting you have mental illness into something that is celebrated, its an easy way for celebrities, athletes, etc to just say to the media "I made this decision because of mental health" instead of telling them what's really going on.. just to avoid having to answer a bunch of questions, etc.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:37 pm to baybeefeetz
Trust me you’ll know if you need an antidepressant. It can be almost crippling with depression. I took Prozac and changed my life tremendously. It was something I needed for years. Congrats on being tough. Good job.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:39 pm to Sao
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So what does that have anything to do with 76 and the Olympics?
means he sucked it up....kept his demons at bay and didnt fold. Represented his country.....didnt seek attention or pity. The world looked at the USA as a superpower back then......not so much anymore.....just the opposite actually
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:42 pm to baybeefeetz
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I'm pretty sure I have the same response to stressful or other adverse stimuli as a lot of people
I get the point of your post, but that is impossible.
You can never truly understand what another person is feeling at any given moment. No two experiences are the same between people.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:47 pm to baybeefeetz
I don't like the trend of blurring the lines between legitimate, dangerous, and concerning mental health issues, and the plethora of "mental health issues" we now see talked about so often.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:50 pm to baybeefeetz
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I'm pretty sure I have the same response to stressful or other adverse stimuli as a lot of people who talk about their anxiety, and possibly also depression, but I was raised and taught to persevere and overcome.
The physiologic brain changes are invisible, and the descriptions aren't accurate. Most of it isn't a matter of perseverance. It's part of a physiologic process of a disorder, which can have multiple manifestations. There are absolutely certain diseases which you cannot overcome despite massive effort.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:51 pm to baybeefeetz
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I'm pretty sure I have the same response to stressful or other adverse stimuli as a lot of people who talk about their anxiety, and possibly also depression, but I was raised and taught to persevere and overcome. That hasn't hurt me. It's helped me.
Doesn't seem like you've ever had severe anxiety or depression, actually.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:52 pm to baybeefeetz
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Anybody agree with this crazy shite I'm saying?
Yes. Full disclosure: I am a mental health disaster. Clinical Ongoing Depression, Insomnia, ADHD, PTSD
Before seeking treatment, between the ages of about 24-25 until 34, I talked myself out of finding out what a 40 cal tastes like, every goddamn day. Planned it all out so my wife and kids would be taken care of financially and everything as time went on, in case I actually decided to quit one day.
And every day, I found a way to work a sales job, be a husband and be a dad with no one being the wiser. It was no one's burden but mine, and I refused to use it as an excuse on why I couldn't provide for my family. People relied on me. My well being was secondary, and physically there was nothing wrong with me.
While I have empathy for her condition, whatever it is, I have zero sympathy for the criticism she is receiving, and I have nothing but vitriol for anyone claiming her critics are just racists.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:54 pm to baybeefeetz
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I'm pretty sure I have the same response to stressful or other adverse stimuli as a lot of people who talk about their anxiety, and possibly also depression, but I was raised and taught to persevere and overcome. That hasn't hurt me. It's helped me. I'm sure I could have been taught more and better coping skills earlier, which would have also helped, but I still feel like people seem more attached to their mental illnesses in some way now. I see people embracing it as part of their identity. That's cool in terms of working toward reducing stigma, but it seems like people are letting it define them more.
We live in a world and culture now where people want other people to help them or just take over for them. It's not the John Wayne mentality anymore of "I'll deal with it myself".
We are overall a mentally weak people and continue to get weaker. You see it everyday in our society.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:04 pm to baybeefeetz
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I'm pretty sure I have the same response to stressful or other adverse stimuli as a lot of people who talk about their anxiety
If you've never had repeated anxiety attacks, where you literally start shaking, chest feels like it's exploding, tingling hands, nausea of the brain, then, no, you've never had the "same response". I have to take a med for anxiety. It was so bad before the med that I had a tough time driving 5 minutes without feeling I was about to lose consciousness and drive off the road.
I smell what you're cooking and I do think that younger people are waaayyy too quick to claim some sort of mental illness as a "look at me" badge, but people that deal with true anxiety or depression aren't faking it, or whatever you're intimating they're doing.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:11 pm to baybeefeetz
There are two types of people. One work to overcome their mental issues. They take medicine, go to therapy, exercise, eat right, etc. Then others embrace it as who they are and expect people to tolerate the stupid decisions they make. They're the ones who are bringing us down.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:20 pm to baybeefeetz
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I'm pretty sure I have the same response to stressful or other adverse stimuli as a lot of people who talk about their anxiety, and possibly also depression, but I was raised and taught to persevere and overcome.
False. I was an anti-pill person until my stress and anxiety manifested itself in ways I didn’t know possible. It can be physically debilitating.
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I see people embracing it as part of their identity.
Nothing wrong with that.
The major problem is like most we see. Media/social media makes something trendy, and the intended and honest purpose is overblown. It’s the same reason that teens want to identify as gay or trans or whatever. The media has made it trendy, and it sucks for people who actually do deal with mental issues, need medication, etc.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:22 pm to baybeefeetz
I agree with you. We all have hard times. Struggles, sadness maybe even fits of depression or mania. Though I think mental health is being way overused now.
Sure a lot of people have real issues. But most things just talk to a friend, family member or a religious leader or similar.
Talk if you need to.
But you're not crazy just because you're sad.
Sure a lot of people have real issues. But most things just talk to a friend, family member or a religious leader or similar.
Talk if you need to.
But you're not crazy just because you're sad.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:26 pm to baybeefeetz
i think its good for us as a society to better aware of mental stress, anxiety, and disorders and accepting them as legitimate things to tend to like any other ill affect.
it is the sudden change in that people are using these as crutches and excuses for poor effort and behavior and expect to not be held accountable because of them that is alarming.
it is the sudden change in that people are using these as crutches and excuses for poor effort and behavior and expect to not be held accountable because of them that is alarming.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:30 pm to baybeefeetz
Mental Illness is a real thing, but I'll change this part...
People aren't identifying with their Illness...People are identifying with their problems and their feelings. We've become so mentally weak. People believe they shouldn't have problems in this thing called "Life," and they run from their problems. Problems are inevitable in life...so is pain. Rather embracing the pain in life, people are trying to run from it...and you just can't. That can cause anxiety & more harm.
People need to embrace the pain - that's the only way you grow. Identifying with "feelings" is no good. There's no meaning attached to feelings.
Then add on - all the Big Tech companies are basically fanning the the flames and profiting off of it all. It's all just fricked.
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I see people embracing it as part of their identity.
People aren't identifying with their Illness...People are identifying with their problems and their feelings. We've become so mentally weak. People believe they shouldn't have problems in this thing called "Life," and they run from their problems. Problems are inevitable in life...so is pain. Rather embracing the pain in life, people are trying to run from it...and you just can't. That can cause anxiety & more harm.
People need to embrace the pain - that's the only way you grow. Identifying with "feelings" is no good. There's no meaning attached to feelings.
Then add on - all the Big Tech companies are basically fanning the the flames and profiting off of it all. It's all just fricked.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:42 pm to baybeefeetz
Was a counselor for a while in college.
Found some people (albeit exceptional) whose existence was their mental health. Not inevitable but desired, so it seemed.
Found some people (albeit exceptional) whose existence was their mental health. Not inevitable but desired, so it seemed.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:42 pm to Hoodie
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Many in the real world are faced with just as much pressure, but don't get the glory and the fame that athletes do
I think you have this arse backwards. Biles has ten times the pressure that you do. You can jerk off in Times Square, and the day after being released you can walk around anonymously. Biles can hardly go anywhere without being recognized. If she puts a foot wrong on the balance beam everyone she meets will know about it.
The money Biles makes actually makes it worse. Money removes necessity, and necessity is a key ingredient in sanity. Remove necessity, and the ordinary person loses his mind. That’s why so many rich people are unhappy.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:59 pm to baybeefeetz
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it seems like people are letting it define them more.
Do you have specific examples of this?
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