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re: Bike lane controversy on Glenmore Ave in BR

Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:48 pm to
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:48 pm to
After Gordon Messe got hit on Capital Heights by a guy that frequently runs that stop sign/speeds, there were people in the biking community who wanted to follow and film this vehicle to "teach him a lesson".

Posted by TigerRob20
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2008
3733 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:49 pm to
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I know that there has been some talk in our neighborhood of dedicating bike lanes but with the demands that the cyclists are making & the way they are acting, it will never happen now. The neighborhood civic association just cancelled a meeting to discuss this issue. And the point was made that it was cancelled, not postponed.




I linked earlier in the thread the plan CPEX had in mind for the entire area. With the mock setup they did of all the changes a few months ago, things looked very cool. Sadly, I doubt any of that will ever happen because of the issues that have been raised by both parties.

Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:53 pm to
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I linked earlier in the thread the plan CPEX had in mind for the entire area. With the mock setup they did of all the changes a few months ago, things looked very cool. Sadly, I doubt any of that will ever happen because of the issues that have been raised by both parties.


I think you may see it continue, because on the other streets there isn't a median in the way...so houses on Country Club (where there's a proposed bike/walk lane, could simply park across the street.

Realistically, this could be done on Glenmore but it appears that the residents are being unreasonable, just as the cyclists are being unreasonable with allowing for temporary parking on the road for work crews/events.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 1:54 pm
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

I know that there has been some talk in our neighborhood of dedicating bike lanes but with the demands that the cyclists are making & the way they are acting, it will never happen now. The neighborhood civic association just cancelled a meeting to discuss this issue. And the point was made that it was cancelled, not postponed.


Cannot blame them for not wanting to encourage that element in their neighborhood especially when cyclists can just use the streets as they are without dedicated lanes.
Posted by TigerRob20
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2008
3733 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:56 pm to
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I think you may see it continue, because on the other streets there isn't a median in the way...so houses on Country Club (where there's a proposed bike/walk lane, could simply park across the street.



I guess you could be right in that instance, I just remember that with the new bike lane, the travel lanes for cars were pretty small (10-11 feet?). That would encroach upon the distance available for parking on the street.

Broussard people may be pissed though

Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:58 pm to
I think on these neighborhood streets, you can block 1/2 lane of traffic so to leave 3/4 of the road available for slow-moving travel.

As much as people want to complain, these roads aren't that busy...I bike/walk/run on them often.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:03 pm to
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there were people in the biking community who wanted to follow and film this vehicle to "teach him a lesson".


What happened was unfortunate, but taking matters into your own hands is very misguided.
Posted by TigerRob20
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2008
3733 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

As much as people want to complain, these roads aren't that busy...I bike/walk/run on them often.



Glenmore was very busy before they narrowed the lanes, added the bike lanes and introduced new stop signs. Country Club is still very busy as a cut through (it has been for as long as I can remember).
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 2:07 pm
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104046 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:08 pm to
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I bike/walk/run on them often.


Way to be part of the problem and not the solution.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:10 pm to
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
24169 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:13 pm to
quote:

Realistically, this could be done on Glenmore but it appears that the residents are being unreasonable, just as the cyclists are being unreasonable with allowing for temporary parking on the road for work crews/events.


The cyclists started this shite by calling the cops to issue tickets. I did not see one instance last night where the residents were being unreasonable. Residents want to keep bike lanes. They just want a common sense approach to parking.
Posted by piratedude
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2009
2805 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:13 pm to
quote:

Country Club is still very busy as a cut through (it has been for as long as I can remember).


The three-way-stop at broussard and country club was a result of comments at a traffic calming meeting at the web park meeting room in 2007. someone suggested it, Kip asked for a show of hands, and i think it appeared within a couple of days.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:17 pm to
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I did not see one instance last night where the residents were being unreasonable


Mr. Groves was a little out of line.

And I'm one that believes common courtesy can and should be applied in this situation.
Posted by torrey225
Member since Mar 2015
1437 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:21 pm to
Broussard needs a sidewalk. I see all these folks walking for exercise and walking their dogs directly in the street.
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
15143 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

Realistically, this could be done on Glenmore but it appears that the residents are being unreasonable, just as the cyclists are being unreasonable with allowing for temporary parking on the road for work crews/events.



why would they want to appease the "cyclist/SJWs" at this point with the way they have handled things?
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 2:28 pm
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26608 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:28 pm to
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As an example, look at the plans CPEX had drawn up ( LINK) for the entire Webb Park area. It was going to totally transform the look of the neighborhood, increasing property values even more. Who will even try to make a change in the neighborhood if the ONE bike lane that is there now is removed


Even if the bike lane somehow stays, those neighborhoods will now rethink any effort to install dedicated bike lanes in light of cyclists (likely from well outside of their neighborhood) reacting this poorly to service vehicles occasionally obstructing their lanes.

The answer IMO is that residential streets with traffic speed limits under 35 should not have dedicated bike lanes. Baton Rouge needs to focus on pedestrian connectivity on those routes more than anything.

Those streets are merely collector routes to arterial streets like Government or Perkins....which actually do need dedicated bike lanes and possibly a significant (and costly) overhaul to accommodate sidewalks, street parking, and bike lanes.

quote:

why would they want to appease the "cyclist/SJWs" at this point with the way they have handled things?


I know you say that in jest, but this is a fairly typical reaction to every cyclist/motorist/pedestrian conflict I've seen in Memphis, Atlanta, and Pittsburgh. It's par for the course.

quote:

Removing bike lanes anywhere is not the solution


That's not always true. A fairly low speed street like this doesn't need a bike lane to begin with. Removing it would likely not significantly impact cyclists or motorists. The locals won't have to worry about tickets. Seems like a win-win to me.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 2:50 pm
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
24169 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:46 pm to
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Mr. Groves was a little out of line.


Maybe a little, but he still never said he wants the bike lanes gone.

when they suggested making the lane a shoulder, the bikers hated that idea. what's the big freaking deal? It's a still a lane to bike in on a street with relatively little traffic.

they need to put walking/multi use lanes on Country club so people can access the Playground. Rolling my kid's stroller to that place is like playing Frogger, but hell, she will be tougher for it.
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
35877 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:56 pm to
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e. A fairly low speed street like this doesn't need a bike lane to begin with. Removing it would likely not significantly impact cyclists or motorists. The locals won't have to worry about tickets. Seems like a win-win to m




The bike lanes were installed to make Glenmore a low speed street.

The residents requested it. They are breaking the law right now bc they didn't think anyone would dare call the cops on them.

But the cyclists did bc that's what they were told to do.
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
15143 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:07 pm to
anyone want to set the over/under on how long before residents property begins to get vandalized by these "cyclist"?

especially if/when the lanes get removed...
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 3:09 pm
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
66977 posts
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:12 pm to
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But the cyclists did bc that's what they were told to do.



And now they're going to lose bike lanes.

They didn't need to have bike lanes on that street in the first place. All they needed was a speed bump to control speeders. They didn't need both.

Is there some stupid ordinance that requires bike lanes to be paired with speed bumps?

In the grand scheme of things having to go around a lawn truck or maid car is a little problem and not a big one. The cyclists made a mountain out of a molehill and now there is push back. Add to that the fact they've shown their arse and other communities will now be less likely to be so appeasing when it comes to bike lanes.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 3:23 pm
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