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re: Bike lane controversy on Glenmore Ave in BR
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:09 pm to lsu13lsu
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:09 pm to lsu13lsu
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Exactly. Plus, roads were never intended to be exercise locations. It is silly to think taxpayers should fund this stuff all over the city. Go to a gym or a specific place designated for bikes like the levee. But why make all these roads all over the city for bikers?
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In fact, the impetus to create better roads didn’t come from the automobile industry, it came from cyclists. In February 1893, the Senate passed a law creating the Office of Road Inquiry. This office – charged with researching best-practice and learning what the Good Roads movement had spent the best part of 20 years lobbying for – later became the Federal Highways Administration.
The Good Roads movement had been started by cyclists. Soon after its formation in 1880, the League of American Wheelmen started to push for better roads. The League of American Wheelmen – and the Good Roads movement – were bankrolled by Albert Pope, a veteran of the Civil War and the manufacturer of Columbia bicycles, the leading brand of the day.
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:09 pm to hawkster
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What about the issue that there is no remotely feasible or responsible way to create bike lanes throughout the city? And furthermore, the cost and disruption to motor vehicle traffic if bike lanes were prevalent would be utterly absurd.
With that reality in mind, how much difference does it actually make to create bike lanes on this one residential street? If you are truly a dedicated cyclist, then the bike lane on Glenmore should represent a tiny fraction of the public roadways you travel. And unless the city goes totally nuts, you will never be able to count on bike lanes for the majority of your travel.
This issue is like all of the other political correctness battles that dominate headlines. Cyclists want to be considered a special class of citizen/victims and the Glenmore bike lane has become a government sanctioned symbol of their "special" status.
I love riding motorcycles, but I rarely do it in BR anymore because the dangers involved take the fun out of it. And that's a fact of life that no government program, policy or special dispensation of public assets will ever change.
Ride your bicycle if you want to. Face the realities of the risks involved and the realities of the minor importance of your selected mode of travel in the big picture.
We have to start somewhere. Removing existing lanes is moving in the wrong direction. With the planned Government Street changes we're moving closer to a bike/pedestrian friendly area...so it isn't that unfeasible. Painful and requiring compromise? Yes.
I don't want to be considered a special class. I'd just prefer to not be killed by cars and have options on means of transportation. I live in the area now because I can walk or bike to many places. And as they build more paths and bike lanes I can get further and further.
I don't ride my bike to lots of places for the same reason you don't ride your motorcycle. But I'd like to!
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:12 pm to Stud Bud
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Love a good Bikers are inconsiderate a-holes thread
But they are the most anal self absorbed creatures on the planet. Especially the ones in the full Lance Armstrong costumes.
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Yes, you are.This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:13 pm to magildachunks
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Better infrastructure is a waste of resources?
Do you mean "better" because of the ludicrous concept that unused sidewalks and bike lanes for hobbyists and hipsters will have any measurable impact on alleviating automotive gridlock in a city like Baton Rouge??
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:14 pm to hawkster
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Do you mean "better" because of the ludicrous concept that unused sidewalks and bike lanes for hobbyists and hipsters will have any measurable impact on alleviating automotive gridlock in a city like Baton Rouge??
It's a novel concept...
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:17 pm to hawkster
I'm never in gridlock. It is very nice to live in Mid City. I get a grid system and bike-able, walk-able roads. The only gridlock is in the cheap-to-live parts of Baton Rouge and you knew why you were getting a discount.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:18 pm to magildachunks
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It's a novel concept...
That could only be considered plausible by people with a tenuous grasp on reality.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:22 pm to Zappas Stache
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In fact, the impetus to create better roads didn’t come from the automobile industry, it came from cyclists. In February 1893,
You do realize this was before cars were even used right? People only wanted roads for bikes because they didn't have cars yet.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:22 pm to hawkster
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That could only be considered plausible by people with a tenuous grasp on reality.
Didn't know you were a traffic engineer.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:23 pm to Creamer
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quote: In fact, the impetus to create better roads didn’t come from the automobile industry, it came from cyclists. In February 1893, You do realize this was before cars were even used right? People only wanted roads for bikes because they didn't have cars yet.
The introduction of good roads helped lead to the automobile.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:25 pm to torrey225
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I'm never in gridlock. It is very nice to live in Mid City. I get a grid system and bike-able, walk-able roads. The only gridlock is in the cheap-to-live parts of Baton Rouge and you knew why you were getting a discount.
The economy and population of Baton Rouge cannot maintain itself within the confines of an overpriced mid-city playground like the neighborhood you describe. But if your view is that narrow, then I fully understand how you've come to your conclusions on infrastructure priorities.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:28 pm to Zappas Stache
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In fact, the impetus to create better roads didn’t come from the automobile industry, it came from cyclists. In February 1893, the Senate passed a law creating the Office of Road Inquiry. This office – charged with researching best-practice and learning what the Good Roads movement had spent the best part of 20 years lobbying for – later became the Federal Highways Administration.
The Good Roads movement had been started by cyclists. Soon after its formation in 1880, the League of American Wheelmen started to push for better roads. The League of American Wheelmen – and the Good Roads movement – were bankrolled by Albert Pope, a veteran of the Civil War and the manufacturer of Columbia bicycles, the leading brand of the day.
Well this seems relevant.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:31 pm to magildachunks
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Didn't know you were a traffic engineer.
I doubt that you'd find many respected traffic engineers who consider bike lanes and sidewalks to be meaningful or cost effective solutions to the kinds of issues that Baton Rouge faces with transportation. But then, there are always a few kooks who embrace utopian fallacies.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:34 pm to hawkster
Allowing people to use alternate means of transportation safely to lessen amount of cars on road is a feasible solution.
And one that has worked all over the world.
And one that has worked all over the world.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:36 pm to mikelbr
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Build them on the entire lengths of highland, Perkins, Government, bluebonnet/Coursey, Burbank/Sherwood Forest, Scenic Highway, Plank Road, Airline(in EBR).
I'll give you a shovel and wheelbarrow, when can you start?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:38 pm to magildachunks
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And one that has worked all over the world.
no it hasn't. you might lessen auto traffic/gridlock, but you get bike traffic/gridlock. Look at European cities or Asian cities and you'll see one problem traded for another. I'm all for cyclists having a share of the public assets, but trying to sell this as a proven solution to gridlock/traffic woes is a nonstarter.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:42 pm to Ingeniero
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20 pages
Just doing my part.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:48 pm to Salmon
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not all people use bikes as a means of exercise
some use them for transportation
I will guarantee the vast majority, and I mean a high percentage, are for exercise.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:49 pm to hawkster
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Do you mean "better" because of the ludicrous concept that unused sidewalks and bike lanes for hobbyists and hipsters will have any measurable impact on alleviating automotive gridlock in a city like Baton Rouge??
Exactly. And they want taxpayers to fund this stuff.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:50 pm to lsu13lsu
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I will guarantee the vast majority, and I mean a high percentage, are for exercise.
So?
Personally, I know more people who use them to get to work and to the store/bar/whatnot, than for exercise.
Better health is just a pleasant bonus for them.
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