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re: Before all this woke stuff started several years ago, didn’t race relations seem good?
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:09 am to I-59 Tiger
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:09 am to I-59 Tiger
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one thing he did was express his complete disdain for law enforcement.
I do not recall this. Do you have a link or a quote ?
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:10 am to PrimeTime Money
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I remember thinking that at the time. 10 to 15 years ago I remember thinking everyone got along pretty well. Especially young people.
I remember in high school 15 years ago, blacks and whites were friends and hung out, plenty black and white mixed couples went to homecoming and prom, went to the same parties, and everyone got along. I honestly never heard or witnessed a single incident of racism. Not once.
Then fast forward to now, and you’d swear we are living in the Jim Crow South based on how some people talk today.
I feel like real progress had been made over the years, and all of this woke stuff has set it back big-time.
No. I don't think race relations were particularly good. It's been only 1 and a half generations since the Civil Rights era. Lots of progress has been made, but also it was predicated on good economic prospects for every demographic.
If these events set back the "progress" made, then it wasn't really all that much progress.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:13 am to PrimeTime Money
Things weren’t better back then. I had a friend in school, running back on the football team. They burned a cross in his front yard for asking out the homecoming queen
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:13 am to crazy4lsu
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If these events set back the "progress" made, then it wasn't really all that much progress.
wuuuut
economic progress is a fundamental aspect of a free society. of course when a bad actor creates a worldwide negative externatlity, causing economic depression, there is going to be an increase in conflict. that has nothing to do with progress in race relations b/c the conflict exists among all parties against all other parties, increasing as the depression gets worse.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:14 am to ShoeBang
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Something happened in 2008 that was supposed to be awesome for all that, then every media outlet started telling me I was racist for existing within a few years.
I'm still trying to put my finger on the issue, but I'll figure it out at some point.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:16 am to PrimeTime Money
Something called social media became big around that time.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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economic progress is a fundamental aspect of a free society. of course when a bad actor creates a worldwide negative externatlity, causing economic depression, there is going to be an increase in conflict. that has nothing to do with progress in race relations b/c the conflict exists among all parties against all other parties, increasing as the depression gets worse.
I addressed this in my post. Relations with minority and majority groups pretty much everywhere are predicated on perceptions of economic opportunity. My point being that if what people perceive as "progress" is undone rather quickly, it wasn't all that progressive, which is a point the OP made.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:18 am to The Spleen
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That's fine, and I'm going to make a guess that you're white and middle to upper middle class and don't interact with many black people outside of your social class
The Spleen
What an idiot
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:19 am to Mike da Tigah
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It’s an election year DIVIDE AND CONQUER
Bingo. Hard to believe that certain people are unable to see this. It's also profitable for some.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:21 am to PrimeTime Money
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I remember thinking that at the time. 10 to 15 years ago I remember thinking everyone got along pretty well. Especially young people.
I was on a military base yesterday afternoon. I noticed people of all races got along just fine, both active duty and retired folks. Keeping in mind this is the deep south, it made me wonder why it can't be like this everywhere.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:23 am to crazy4lsu
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My point being that if what people perceive as "progress" is undone rather quickly, it wasn't all that progressive
then progress isn't possible
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:30 am to PrimeTime Money
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I remember in high school 15 years ago, blacks and whites were friends and hung out, plenty black and white mixed couples went to homecoming and prom, went to the same parties, and everyone got along. I honestly never heard or witnessed a single incident of racism. Not once.
Then fast forward to now, and you’d swear we are living in the Jim Crow South based on how some people talk today.
i went to a suburban/rural almost all white upperclass school in the 90s. my debate partner (her and her brother were the only black kids in the HS) and i were always pretty close. i have 0 doubt she dealt with racism, but i never saw it other than probably people ignoring her.
she and i always got along great and she knew i was a safe person for her and i loved her as a friend. i even took her to homecoming and prom.
she got really liberal when she went to Rice, but we always stayed in contact and despite political differences, kept up, and checked in on each other when she came back in town.
right around 2008-2010 she got REALLY political and started really shitting on our HS (rightfully so in some areas) for the soft racism she endured and said everybody there was racist. i was all WTF? i get there were assholes but you and i were good friends and for you to say EVERYBODY was racist was pretty ridiculous.
i don't deny that racism was around in earlier days when it seemed better in the 90s and 00s, but i think the election of Obama and rise of the SJWs gave people the freedom to bring up perceived slights, right or wrong.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 9:31 am
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:30 am to The Spleen
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That's fine, and I'm going to make a guess that you're white and middle to upper middle class and don't interact with many black people outside of your social class
You "progressives" sure do make some pretty crappy assumptions about your enemies. It is amazing to watch you all violently attack or try to cancel people you hate, then discuss "unity".
Chances are REALLY good that the majority of the posters here, especially those in Lousiana, MS, Bama, live, work, and raise families right next to many different ethnic groups. You can argue the south is one of the most diverse areas anywhere in the world. Yet, somehow, according to you filth, everyone here is either racist or clueless, despite the evidence of the contrary.
People like you don't make things better for anyone.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:31 am to PrimeTime Money
They still are.
People need to live their lives in the real world and not on twitter.
People of all races work together, date, marry, hang out, etc everyday.
People need to live their lives in the real world and not on twitter.
People of all races work together, date, marry, hang out, etc everyday.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:34 am to loweralabamatrojan
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I noticed people of all races got along just fine
For the people that say this, I wonder how many actually have meaningful conversations about race relations with their black friends, co-workers, colleagues, etc. Because I do agree on a day-to-day basis in everyday life, things seem fine. But what is the life like for the black woman I joked around with at the store the other day? While our interaction was fine, how often does she face prejudice in her life? How often has she been the victim of racism in her life?
Maybe she hasn't experienced much of it, but it is something to ponder.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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then progress isn't possible
Depends on what you mean. There are lots of things at play. There is demographic merging across multiple cultural elements, and when you combine this with technological progress (which is fundamentally changing the medium by which we engage with the world) and the culture lag that follows, you are seeing a new culture with its rules of what is and isn't appropriate being developed. The problem with this is that if technological progress continues at a rate that exceeds our ability to make cogent rules, people will continually feel as though they are experiencing significant upheaval, as the mediums we use to engage with the world reinforce that perception, whereas our tactile perceptions might be completely different.
Change is a certainty, and it is almost assured that you won't see a codified apartheid system in the country at any point, which is legal progress. But the cultural project people that is ongoing is fundamentally related to how we interact with technology. I'm working on a long post related to the cultural theorist thread on the PT board which touches on this.
But I'm rejecting the notion that progress is based on an individual's perception of events. What changes and what is changing is largely beyond a single individual's ability to perceive. I think the progress from the CR era was cemented rather quickly, given the relative paucity of riots and protests after 1970 in comparison to before, where there were upwards of 100 incidents of civil unrest per decade. It is only with this protest that we've reached a number closer to the 1968 protests, and still, I'd wager the 1968 protests were larger in a per capita sense.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:38 am to PrimeTime Money
All of y'all are fooling yourself if you think race relations was fine. Wake up it's never been fine people are just expressing how they really felt all along. This is happening on both sides. The race relations in this country will always be this way.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:41 am to The Spleen
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For the people that say this, I wonder how many actually have meaningful conversations about race relations with their black friends, co-workers, colleagues, etc. Because I do agree on a day-to-day basis in everyday life, things seem fine. But what is the life like for the black woman I joked around with at the store the other day? While our interaction was fine, how often does she face prejudice in her life? How often has she been the victim of racism in her life? Maybe she hasn't experienced much of it, but it is something to ponder.
Maybe most people don't have "race relations" on their mind 24/7. Most people just live their lives. Do or have some gotten a bad break? Absolutely. Nobody ever said life is or would be fair.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:43 am to The Spleen
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For the people that say this, I wonder how many actually have meaningful conversations about race relations with their black friends, co-workers, colleagues, etc. Because I do agree on a day-to-day basis in everyday life, things seem fine. But what is the life like for the black woman I joked around with at the store the other day? While our interaction was fine, how often does she face prejudice in her life? How often has she been the victim of racism in her life?
I'm Hispanic and we had a friend of my wife who is a black lady live with us for 2 months after her house burned. I feel like you are that classic white bubbly man who grew up in a gated community and now preaching about race, like others have said on here. I bet you lock your car door when you see black people walk by.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:45 am to cas4t
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What did Obama do specifically to make race relations worse? Honest question
Not necessarily directly related to Obama but I think many white people do feel there's been a dramatic change in race relations in so far as the movement is no longer about equal opportunities and equality but about disproportionate power and outcomes. Whether they're right or wrong that's a perception that's been created.
Another thing is that the new black rights/BLM movements are largely based on the idea that there is an unbridgeable gap between races, however they offer no opportunity for reconciliation. They want revenge for past wrongs, not to move past them going forward. You're telling people their tribal identity is of the utmost importance, telling them they are partly responsible for the past sins of that tribe and simultaneously telling them there is no chance for atonement outside of political subjugation like reparations and potentially even land reform (see the atlantic article months ago about black farms being stolen in the south in the early 1900s and black farmers being dispossessed). Emphasizing past grievances and division while offering no chance for atonement is a very, very bad idea in a multi racial society.
There are also more right wing whites who notice that the power dynamic has shifted. BLM acts and talks like a subversive revolutionary movement fighting for the underdog but they can bring to bear on an individual white person the backing and power of the entire media and corporate world. Right wing whites have noticed that and are acting more defensive and hostile as a result.
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