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re: Are we, as a nation, more corrupt than we thought?

Posted on 8/10/19 at 1:28 pm to
Posted by Unknown_Poster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 8/10/19 at 1:28 pm to
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do we have a larger than expected class of wealthy elites that are above the law?

Yes. We also recently elected one President, too. Do yourself a favor, and I say this because your OP heavily implies you lean a certain way, don't blind yourself to corruption just because some people have an (R) next to their name.

The elite are the elite, regardless of party. If you can't see that from many of the cabinet appointments despite a promise to "drain the swamp" then you're simply a tool of the elite -- doesn't matter which side you cheer for.
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
39644 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 1:33 pm to
It took this for you to realize this? This elite class in Washington is rotten to the core. Political murder is nothing new for the Clinton's and those like them
Posted by Woodreaux
OC California
Member since Jan 2008
2790 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 1:39 pm to
In other news: the amazing viscosity of water and sheltered women horrified to learn how popular female anatomy is.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 1:45 pm to
We're not more corrupt than I thought. But by and large, yes, of course it is.

I don't see how people still have faith and think that things like voting and protesting still accomplish anything. The system has been rigged for many years now. As soon as the ink on the constitution was dry, the wealthy and powerful began to undermine it.

Call me a pessimist but I don't think anything short of hanging people in Washington is going to change anything at this point. They are too entrenched for anything other than full blown revolution.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
88338 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 1:48 pm to
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I don't see how people still have faith and think that things like voting and protesting still accomplish anything. The system has been rigged


Do you honestly think that voting doesn't matter? You think the system was rigged for Trump to be president?
Yeah system is corrupt as frick, but the population still have a pretty important voice.
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
10131 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 1:48 pm to
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don't blind yourself to corruption just because some people have an (R) next to their name. 


You should take your own advice and don't delude yourself to corruption just because someone has money.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
82362 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 1:50 pm to
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How does a high profile inmate placed on suicide watch get enough privacy to do the deed?



Just to play Saban's advocate, the guy who was supposed to be watching hates Epstein and doesn't put much effort into trying to stop him.

Also may want to check the list of visitors. Could be a Frank Pentangeli deal.
This post was edited on 8/10/19 at 4:18 pm
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
62132 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 1:50 pm to
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Call me a pessimist but I don't think anything short of hanging people in Washington is going to change anything at this point. They are too entrenched for anything other than full blown revolution.


Let’s say suggested revolution was successful. What do you replace our current government with?
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80823 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 1:52 pm to
Not more than I thought. People have always looked out for themselves, elite or just the average schlub.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 1:52 pm to
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Do you honestly think that voting doesn't matter? You think the system was rigged for Trump to be president?
Yeah system is corrupt as frick, but the population still have a pretty important voice.


Yes. Between gerrymandered districts, voting machines that aren't audited and are unsecure, and the fact that the 2 parties are far more alike than different; yeah, I dont think it makes a bit of difference.

Look who Trump put in positions of power. The same people. They all talk a big game but when the decisions are made, they all do the same thing.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 1:55 pm to
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Let’s say suggested revolution was successful. What do you replace our current government with?

A mildly retarded goldfish. It couldn't frick things up much worse.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 1:56 pm to
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Let’s say suggested revolution was successful. What do you replace our current government with?


That's tough. I'm not smart enough to say. A rough guess would be going back to the intent of the constitution. Figuring out some way to apply the lessons we've learned and prevent the same corruption from happening again. That can't be done due to human nature though.

And I dont think it would likely be successful anyway. Not quickly and without heavy casualties. They're not going to go down without a fight. And with technology these days, it's scary how you could be picked off in an instant.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
20242 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 2:02 pm to
Think about the obvious in your face stuff.

Look at the blatant stuff Hillary did. It’s was painfully illegal and yet, all they did was ask her some questions and absolutely nothing came of it.

Anytime they “ask” any of the elites questions, nothing ever ever comes of it
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
8864 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 2:10 pm to
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We are really corrupt because we have something called lobbying that’s illegal in most other nations


In other nations it’s called bribery.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
30071 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 2:59 pm to
Next one to suicide himself will be Assange assuming he is still alive
Posted by GeorgePaton
God's Country
Member since May 2017
5966 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 3:06 pm to
I'm not going to say one way or the other....but I dang well make sure I always wash my hands thoroughly after using a public restroom.

As you were.
This post was edited on 8/10/19 at 3:09 pm
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
33956 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 3:56 pm to
The money Halliburton made off of our military in Iraq, and the pharmaceutical companies getting away with murder, bothers me more than any of the stuff you mentioned. Just business as usual for American politicians.

Nothing will change because people keep sending the same sorry people back to Washington. Really don't have checks and balances any more with the partisanship, and since our judicial system has been politicized.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122525 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 3:58 pm to
I have never put a cap on possible corruption that takes places in the United States (and around the world).

Our healthcare system is corrupt. Not the system itself, but it is designed to allow corruption to happen.

The other day I listened to 'The Perfect Scam', its a podcast about.... Well. Scams. There is one called Dr. Rotten: Can Medicare Fraud Give You Cancer. Its about a doctor who was diagnosing people with cancer even though they didn't have it. They were put on chemo just so that he can charge medicare for the services.

Not this particular situation, but there are a lot of places that do this. One time I had to go get something fixed on my wheelchair and the guy who worked at the place said that he was going in on Saturday and that way I wouldn't have to miss work, I could just go in then.

He unloaded on me telling about how he was about to quit working there and how it made him sick knowing how things were run. The company would get physical therapist to write up that someone needed a new wheelchair. It would be old people who just laid up in the bed..

They would deliver them a new wheelchair, they would die months, a few years later.. The wheelchair would go untouched, the family had no use for it so the chairs they would get back, they turned around and resold them.. And that that wasn't something that was done just at the place he worked, it was pretty much every medical supply company.

One time I had to go to PT for my arm. Long story short, the second time I went there was a lady there who "wanted to see" if I could benefit from one of her company's arm braces. It was a piece of plastic with velcro straps. When he found out I had insurance through work and not medicare, she legit changed her attitude. She went from being all nice to "I got to hurry up". She says I needed to wear it for two weeks.

It did nothing, like I said, it was a piece of plastic with velcro straps and it didn't even make sense because it was my upper arm.

About a week after the two weeks I was suppose to wear it til, I get a letter telling me that I had to return the brace ASAP. I just sort of forgot about it, something I would do when I got around to it, but a week later I get a letter telling me if I didn't return it ASAP they would charge me $2000 for the cost of the brace and $1000 for every week until I bring it back, because that's what it was costing them.

I kind of took it as a threat, like they were going to make me pay $2000 out of pocket claiming that was the cost of the brace so I sent them a letter along with the brace.. I pretty much said that it was laughable that they claim the cost of a piece of plastic and some velcro straps cost them $2000 and that I was sending it back because I didn't want to deal with it, but before I would have ever paid them $2000 plus $1000 a week I would have reported them for the fraud they are and that I hope they sleep well at night knowing they wake up every day not earning an honest living..

I know I know.. tl;dr.. But I am just saying that this is just one part of misuse of government funds through a corrupt system. These types of things go on, on a daily basis and the type of corruption that I feel like actually is felt in everyone's pocketbooks (our medical system)..
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 4:36 pm to
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Next one to suicide himself will be Assange assuming he is still alive

Doesn't Assange have a publicly reported deadman switch in play, though?
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62290 posts
Posted on 8/10/19 at 4:37 pm to
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It seems like we have a very serious corruption problem that prevents us from bringing justice to the rich and famous.



People have a problem viewing their own nation as being corrupted like others around them.
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