- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
0
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:19 pm to SPEEDY
quote:
Those modest requirements are a 2.5 GPA and at least a 20 on the ACT
That shouldn’t be good enough to get into ANY college. Much less the supposed best state schools we have in LA.
Tops needs to be scaled back and used for academically deserving and financially troubled students. We should also have a talent retention program to keep kids home, but i have no way to make it feasible
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:21 pm to SPEEDY
quote:
initially launched to aid students who could not afford college
41% >22%... Do we not also wish to encourage our best and brightest to stay in-state for school and hopefully after?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:22 pm to SPEEDY
quote:
"I am deeply troubled by this chart," Carpenter said, referring to the document that show TOPS recipients by income levels.
"We cannot continue to be in the same situation year after year," she said.
Now...let's do a chart that shows the incomes for the kids that get TOPS that:
a) don't lose eligibility while in college
b) don't drop out and actually get a degree
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:22 pm to SPEEDY
F both of those stupid bitches.
The intent was to keep the talent in LA. As mentioned this is merit based and not financial need based program. There are additional programs those need financial aid.
The intent was to keep the talent in LA. As mentioned this is merit based and not financial need based program. There are additional programs those need financial aid.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:23 pm to SPEEDY
quote:
Rep. C. Denise Marcelle, D-Baton Rouge, said while TOPS was initially launched to aid students who could not afford college that is not happening. "How did we get from the intent to what we have here, that it is just the opposite?" Marcelle asked.
"We have to change the trajectory at some point," she added.
Rep. Barbara Carpenter, D-Baton Rouge, raised similar concerns.
"I am deeply troubled by this chart," Carpenter said, referring to the document that show TOPS recipients by income levels.
"We cannot continue to be in the same situation year after year," she said.
when TOPS was expanded income went out the window... if we can afford it raise the requirement to 3.0 and 25..... move on..
if ain't merit based there are plenty of ways for those below her magic number to pay for college... gi bill... national guard... etc.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:23 pm to SPEEDY
quote:
Rep. C. Denise Marcelle, D-Baton Rouge, said while TOPS was initially launched to aid students who could not afford college that is not happening. "How did we get from the intent to what we have here, that it is just the opposite?" Marcelle asked.
Right... but TOPS was never intended to be needs-based. It was intended to help keep our best students in-state.
That's the intent. Let's not act like TOPS was ever anything but merit-based. Patrick Taylor understood that there were Pell Grants and other programs already in existence for low-income students. TOPS was different because it did not matter how much your parents made.
Personally, I would prefer raising TOPS's standards much higher before I would EVER make it need-based.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:23 pm to SPEEDY
Who can actually make it into college that DOESNT have TOPS?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:24 pm to SPEEDY
So, making good grades and scoring high on standardized tests shouldn't be rewarded - and we should reward poor scoring students instead?
Great democratic logic.
Great democratic logic.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:25 pm to SPEEDY
She should just say what she really thinks. That TOPS should only go to kids of certain races.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:25 pm to TigerLife63
The intent of tops was actually to allow financially disadvantaged, yet academically achieving students the opportunity to attend college in LA. It was not intended to be a talent retention program.
The politicians have transformed it in to that because they can’t/won’t do their jobs and help make this state attractive to come to/stay in so they want to make it punitive to leave.
The politicians have transformed it in to that because they can’t/won’t do their jobs and help make this state attractive to come to/stay in so they want to make it punitive to leave.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:25 pm to CoachChappy
quote:
STOP THE TOPS PROGRAM! Too many people who shouldn't be going to college are using it!
You would be attempting to reason with people who truly believe that you can end racial/gender/sexual/whatever disparities simply by placing unqualified people into positions they are not qualified for. Qualifications are discriminatory. Merit is a myth. Everybody is the same. It's just some people are more privileged than others.
They know they live in a fairy tale land, but they like the Matrix and don't wish to leave.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:26 pm to goofball
quote:
They should immediately move it to a minimum 3.0 GPA and a 23 ACT for baseline benefits, then phase in a higher standard of 3.3 and 26 ACT. Highest tier award should also cover fees, room and board, and require a minimum 30 ACT.
this won't happen because your race numbers will skew in the wrong direction according to the race baiters. What they want is a household income limit.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:26 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:
That shouldn’t be good enough to get into ANY college. Much less the supposed best state schools we have in LA.
If they raised the standards any more, no one at Southern and most at ULL would not get TOPS. Which of course would be racist.
As it is, most of the gifted and talented black kids end up at LSU or Tech. Not Southern.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:27 pm to SPEEDY
The whole point of TOPS was to keep reasonably smart middle to upper middle class kids in state
Mike Foster TYFYS
Mike Foster TYFYS
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:27 pm to Dingeaux
quote:
What they want is a household income limit.
At $70,000 max?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:27 pm to SPEEDY
Awesome. TOPS didnt exist when I was in college. Now, it wont exist when my kids get to college. I feel like bad luck Brian.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:27 pm to goofball
My oldest was the first to get hers cut under JBE and he used it as a bargaining chip. The legislature in place now, hopefully wouldn't fall for the extortion. I would hope they raise the requirements but that won't happen.
I believe this is part of the no ACT score movement. For whatever reason lower income kids can't score well on the ACT, but they can be pushed along with passing grades. I distinctly remember the girl with a 4.0 gpa from an inner city school who couldn't pass the exit exam so she couldn't graduate.
Also, TOPS is not the issue with the LA's budget. I it part of the designated funds issue with the Constitution and is one of the few areas that can be cut. There are alot more places to find money than the one program that helps to keep a few of the high acheiving kids in the State for College.
I believe this is part of the no ACT score movement. For whatever reason lower income kids can't score well on the ACT, but they can be pushed along with passing grades. I distinctly remember the girl with a 4.0 gpa from an inner city school who couldn't pass the exit exam so she couldn't graduate.
Also, TOPS is not the issue with the LA's budget. I it part of the designated funds issue with the Constitution and is one of the few areas that can be cut. There are alot more places to find money than the one program that helps to keep a few of the high acheiving kids in the State for College.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:28 pm to L5UT1ger
quote:
Awesome. TOPS didnt exist when I was in college. Now, it wont exist when my kids get to college. I feel like bad luck Brian.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:29 pm to SPEEDY
quote:
Those modest requirements are a 2.5 GPA and at least a 20 on the ACT
So it hasn't changed in 20+ years?
Louisiana's high schools still haven't improved despite being given all of this time to do so. fricking pathetic.
Page 2 of 10
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News