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re: Amid explosive demand, America is running out of power
Posted on 3/8/24 at 8:25 am to RanchoLaPuerto
Posted on 3/8/24 at 8:25 am to RanchoLaPuerto
I have some actual insight on this issue. The problem is more and more data centers, not EVs and other green things. Data centers take an absolutely insane amount of electricity to operate. Also, there’s a natural gas shortage to power the plants.
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Posted on 3/8/24 at 8:28 am to RedPants
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Also, there’s a natural gas shortage to power the plants
How could that be? Gas hit 1.50 an mcf last week due to a glut.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 8:30 am to RanchoLaPuerto
Because we’re moving into warmer months. Less residential demand. Takes quite a bit to power a plant.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 9:07 am to JohnnyKilroy
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I do always appreciate people from South Louisiana talking about how they won’t eat the bugs.
Bro you do eat the bugs. You been eating the bugs.
Our governor is begging for more tax dollars to save the bug harvesters so we can eat more bugs in the future.
Passed through S LA once on the interstate, never went back, and I'm sure not from there.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 9:10 am to boddagetta
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Small modular reactors is the true answer to the future grid demand. Too bad the govt red tape is holding up the progress.
Regulations aren’t the problems. Your neighbors are. NIMBYs destroy more juke more nuke development than anything else. The red tape is known and quantifiable. Hopefully the new subsidy will be enough to keep investors in to push through the inevitable lawsuits.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 9:18 am to RanchoLaPuerto
What needs to happen TODAY is to get SMRs authorized and approved. These are the small nuclear reactors designed like the ones the navy uses in their fleet. It’s the greenest energy out there, but it takes years to get through the red tape of approval, build, and into production. If the government would just get out of its own way, we would have more than enough energy to both power the country and satisfy the greenies.
ETA: like the poster said above, the NIMBYs are a concern too. Not as much as the government though. If it takes 10 years to go from authorization to production, the power companies could see 3 different presidents. All with their own ideas on energy production.
ETA: like the poster said above, the NIMBYs are a concern too. Not as much as the government though. If it takes 10 years to go from authorization to production, the power companies could see 3 different presidents. All with their own ideas on energy production.
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 9:21 am
Posted on 3/8/24 at 9:19 am to RanchoLaPuerto
There's a poster here that says the current grid can handle a 100% electric car fleet 
Posted on 3/8/24 at 9:24 am to upgrayedd
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There's a poster here that says the current grid can handle a 100% electric car fleet
Technically it could. There are more than enough generating stations out there on standby which could be up and running to cover it. The reason you see issues are twofold. First, energy for the RTOs are bought and sold using forecasts. Only enough energy to satisfy the forecasted load is produced. Once electricity is made, it’s gone whether it’s used or not. So the RTOs and power companies never produce at full capacity unless it’s ordered to. Second, many of these standby plants are either coal or natural gas. Kicking them all into production would produce sky screaming the likes of which we’ve never seen.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 9:27 am to 9Fiddy
Well, technically it's illegal to block the roads with a protest but people do it with impunity everyday, so it's not illegal in practice
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:14 am to RedPants
Data Centers are absolutely the culprit and will continue to be. There is a reason why the stocks of many of the larger electrical manufacturers are doing well.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:18 am to Ham And Glass
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Data Centers are absolutely the culprit and will continue to be
lets do google's electric footprint for all the millions of pieces of hardware in hardened facilities all over the world vs the people who have $3,000+ in their back pocket to afford an entry-level induction range.
yes, its the induction range epidemic causing the problems.
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 10:19 am
Posted on 3/8/24 at 12:59 pm to RanchoLaPuerto
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And maybe, just maybe, they should have thought this out. But instead, only now, the brain trust is waking up and smelling the coffee.
They had the woke brain virus. It makes them incapable of seeing the obvious consequences of their dumb moves.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 8:32 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Induction stoves are more efficient than traditional electric stoves, which is what the vast majority of households have.
The grid isn't being taxed by induction stoves lmao.
Did you see the line in what you quoted? Stop laughing and learn to read. (Bold Mine) "
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power grid to fuel vehicles, heat pumps, induction stoves and all manner of other household appliances that previously ran on fossil fuels.
An induction stove that replaces a gas stove sure does put more stress on the grid. At just the wrong time, the peak where people come home, start cooking dinner, etc.
Same with heat pumps. Sure, more efficient than resistive heat, but if they replace a gas furnace, that's more load on the grid.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 10:00 am to Ham And Glass
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Data Centers are absolutely the culprit and will continue to be.
I thought it was the bitcoin miners.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 10:12 am to HeadSlash
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Roll out the nuclear power plants
With none currently planned and about a 30 yr project timeline to completion, this (the only realistic solution) is not going to save the day for a while…
Posted on 3/29/24 at 10:15 am to RanchoLaPuerto
We could have built 50 nuclear plants over the past 60 years and been done forever.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:27 pm to Klondikekajun
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With none currently planned and about a 30 yr project timeline to completion, this (the only realistic solution) is not going to save the day for a while…
Well, if the enviro nutjobs wouldn't have been so resistant for so long we'd be well into that 30 year timespan for a bunch of them.
I've said this before but will say it again...nuclear solves the energy problem too well. It does not give them the ability to push all their other equity and social programs along with the solution. So they have and always will rage against nuclear.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:29 pm to RanchoLaPuerto
The Cult of AGW wants to get rid of CH4 in NY were 46% of electric power is generated with natural gas. It is stupidly inefficient to use natural gas to make electricity that is then used to heat homes, water and cook with. In NY, it costs 4 or 5 times as much to heat with electric than it does with natural gas. That alone indicates that the Cult of AGW is a political suicide pact.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:50 pm to RanchoLaPuerto
I guess it beyond the capabilities of the gazillion federal and state employees to come up with a long term energy plan to make sure we have reliable electricity for the foreseeable future.
Oh well…at least Ukraine is getting more money!
Oh well…at least Ukraine is getting more money!
Posted on 3/29/24 at 1:51 pm to RanchoLaPuerto
Quick!!! Everybody go buy an EV before the power runs out
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